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Our guests in The Sustainable Hour no. 496 are Robert Patterson from Letition.org, who is organising a community climate meeting at Geelong West Town Hall on 9 May 2024, and Jeanne Nel from CoolGeelong.

Inspired by the Tasmanian election result, we talk election strategy and start a search for a better word than ‘Hung Parliament‘ to describe the potential outcome of the next federal election.

The conversation explores the potential for a new era in Australian politics, driven by independent candidates and a focus on climate action. It highlights the responsibility of governments in addressing climate disasters and the need for minority governments to drive change.

The role of community engagement and “letitions” is emphasised as a means to hold politicians accountable. The importance of governance, stewardship, and positive action, such as tree planting, is also discussed. The conversation concludes with a call to action for listeners to get involved and make a difference in their communities.

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Robert Patterson is a climate-concerned local who has worked tirelessly in promoting the letition system – www.letition.org – for engaging with the decision makers at all levels of government. He also launches the publicity around a public meeting which is going to occur on 9 May 2024 at the West Geelong Town Hall – details of this can be found on eventbrite.com

Jeanne Nel is a climate activist and founder of CoolGeelong – www.coolgeelong.org – a local group dedicated to increasing the number of trees planted within the City of Greater Geelong local government area. The benefits of this will be more shade/shelter on really hot days as well as automatically drawing down carbon from the atmosphere.

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Takeaways:
• Australian politics is entering a new era, driven by independent candidates and a focus on climate action.
• Governments are responsible for addressing climate disasters and must be held accountable for their actions if they fail to act, or act too slowly.
• Community engagement is essential for driving change and holding politicians accountable.
• Governance and stewardship are crucial in addressing climate change and protecting the environment.
• Positive actions are fundamental for creating a sustainable future.

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For more details – i.e on our Global Outlook report, the three songs and several video clips we played – see the full transcript below.

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That’s it for The Sustainable Hour episode 496. An episode with very much a local focus on communicating with our elected representatives at all levels of government. Like all our guests, both Robert and Jeanne are seriously concerned about the climate crisis we all face, and they have decided that the best antidote for this concern is real on the ground action. In doing this and bringing others along with them, they are making the difference that we all so badly need in their spheres of influence. We hope that this inspires you all to find a way of doing the same in your communities. We’ll be back with more solution seekers next week.

#ThinkIndependently! #BeTheDifference! #BeATreehugger! and #GetTogether!

“In Australia, let’s think independently, let’s look after and really consider “what’s good for my constituents?” – “what’s good for the environment they live in?” – and be a voice that’s not beholden to any political thinking or theory, but that’s focused on what’s best for the community.
How can we ensure that this is a country, a state, and specifically in Geelong, a city that’s liveable for generations to come? And you see that people are starting to think beyond just the two-party options, they’re starting to say: “Hang on, we really need someone that speaks to us,” and people are looking for solutions, for hope, for active things they can do beyond political rhetoric.”
~ Jeanne Nel, Founder of CoolGeelong


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We at The Sustainable Hour would like to pay our respect to the traditional custodians of the land on which we
are broadcasting, the Wathaurong People, and pay our respect to their elders, past, present and future.

The traditional owners lived in harmony with the land. They nurtured it and thrived in often harsh conditions for millennia before they were invaded. Their land was then stolen from them – it wasn’t ceded. It is becoming more and more obvious that, if we are to survive the climate emergency we are facing, we have much to learn from their land management practices.

Our battle for climate justice won’t be won until our First Nations brothers and sisters have their true justice. When we talk about the future, it means extending our respect to those children not yet born, the generations of the future – remembering the old saying that, “We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children.”
The decisions currently being made around Australia to ignore the climate emergency are being made by those who won’t be around by the time the worst effects hit home. How disrespectful and unfair is that?





HUNG PARLIAMENT

Climate Rescue Accord focal point in the Tasmanian election

More than a third of Tasmanians voted for independents or minor parties. ABC commentators labelled it “a breakdown of traditional voting-patterns,” stating that the era of majority governments is coming to an end. The two major parties used to get 90 per cent of the votes.

“It is time to start using the phrase ‘minority government’ with maturity and not like it is electorate kryptonite.”

“It is a continuation of a trend that we are seeing around the country. It is a reflection that Tasmanians are looking for a different type of parliament. “

→ Australia Institute – 5 April 2024:
Why minority government can be better for Australia
“In Australia, minority and coalition governments are often seen as some kind of aberration, but Richard Denniss, Executive Director of the Australia Institute, said that’s simply not the reality. “Around the world, it’s very common. Around Australian states, it’s very common,” Denniss said, on the latest episode of Follow the Money.”

→ The New Daily – 31 March 2024:
Independents poised to win big as voters flee major parties
“Community-backed independents could win big at the next federal election, as voters continue to flee the Liberal and Labor parties. The combined first-preference vote for the Liberal and Labor parties has dropped from 76.81 per cent in the 2016 election to as low as 65 per cent in recent polling.”

→ ABC News – 26 March 2024:
Tasmania has elected a hung parliament. So what does that mean, and how do minority governments work?
“Tasmanians elected a hung parliament, which is when no party wins the majority of seats in the house of assembly, also known as the lower house. In that instance, independents and minor parties — known as the crossbench — are called on to help one of the two major parties form government.”



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What the media releases from the Australian Labor Government don’t mention

The Government doesn’t like to draw attention to the fact that since the 2022 election:

  • It has approved four new coal projects.
  • It has approved the drilling of 116 new coal seam gas wells.
  • It has sat in court with coal companies and defended its right not to consider the climate impact of opening new fossil fuel projects.
  • The Government has passed legislation at the request of gas companies specifically designed to expedite their expansion. This is not hyperbole. The transcripts and documents are there in black and white.
  • The Government has stacked the agencies legislated to oversee and shape Australia’s climate policies — including the Net Zero Authority and the National Reconstruction Fund — with industry interests and surrounded them with a fortress-like bureaucracy, impervious to public scrutiny. It has left a former gas executive in charge of the Climate Change Authority.
  • The Prime Minister and various ministers have flown to India, Japan, Korea, and (just this month) Vietnam to lock in customers for our gas and coal. The media releases never mention that either. Australia is one of the world’s largest fossil fuel exporters, and the Government is subsidising, legislating, and using the full weight of our foreign policy to ensure we stay that way.  Because Governments are very effective at making very big things happen very quickly when they want to.
  • The Australian Government has lobbied UNESCO to stop the Great Barrier Reef from being listed as “in danger”. This is as it is in the grip of another mass coral bleaching event.
  • The Australian Government has refused to end native forest logging. Despite the carbon it would store and the very real risk of extinction to the koala and the swift parrot.  It has left the protection of our collapsing ecosystems to the market. It has put far more energy into talking about being ‘nature positive’ than doing anything about it.
  • The federal Labor government alone still gives over $9 billion in subsidies to fossil fuels. It has committed $1.5 billion to a gas export hub in the Northern Territory. One single gas export hub is getting half of what Australia has committed to global climate finance over five years.

The moral contradictions of the Australian Government
The Australian government gives far more in aid to the fossil fuel industry than it does to the entire Pacific region.

The Australian Government calls Pacific communities Australia’s ‘family’ and then, sure enough, treats them with the casual contempt of an older brother. It has rushed Pacific leaders into signing security pacts and turned a blind eye to the treatment of Pacific workers in Australia, yet it is relying on the Pacific — in the government’s own words — “to restore Australia’s reputation” by co-hosting COP31, the UN climate conference in 2026.

Minister Bowen last year promised “we will not sign a death certificate” for Pacific communities. Maybe not literally. But under current policies, COP31 is looking like a living wake for all of us.

If failing to act on climate is an act of “intergenerational negligence” then, using the Australian Government’s own logic, it must concede that the wilful exacerbation of climate change is something much, much worse.

While it may not be captured by a legal framework, Minister Bowen’s own words have, perhaps inadvertently, revealed the heart of the issue.

The climate and biodiversity crisis is a moral crisis.

It is an integrity crisis.

It is not an economic crisis.

It is not a technological crisis.

It is not an information crisis.

It is a moral crisis.

If our democratically elected governments want to keep subsidising fossil fuel expansion, then, of course, they are constitutionally free to do so. But at some point, those same Ministers, and the senior public servants enabling them, will have to accept responsibility for their decisions one way or another.

Perhaps as soon as the next election.

Excerpt of speech by Polly Hemming, Director, Climate and Energy at The Australia Institute

Greens: Become a climate champion





YOUTH

“In Australia, research shows 43% of children aged 10 to 14 are worried about the future impact of climate change, and one in four believe the world will end before they grow up.”

→ The Conversation – 21 March 2024:
‘How long before climate change will destroy the Earth?’: research reveals what Australian kids want to know about our warming world
“Every day, more children discover they are living in a climate crisis. This makes many children feel sad, anxious, angry, powerless, confused and frightened about what the future holds.”

World Happiness Report 2024
The World Happiness Report is a partnership of Gallup, the Oxford Wellbeing Research Centre, the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network, and the WHR’s Editorial Board.

“Researchers found that inequality of well-being has a bigger effect on overall happiness than does inequality of income. Direct and indirect supports for well-being includes income, education, health care, social acceptance, trust, and the presence of supportive social environments at the family, community and national levels.

Happiness fell significantly in the country group including the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, by twice as much for the young as for the old.

For Australia, happiness has decreased in all age groups, but especially for the young, so much so that the young are now, in 2021-2023, the least happy age group. This is a big change from 2006-2010, when the young were happier than those in the midlife groups, and about as happy as those aged 60 and over. For the young, the happiness drop was about three-quarters of a point, and greater for females than males.

Between generations, those born before 1965 (Boomers and their predecessors) have life evaluations about one-quarter of a point higher than those born after 1980 (Millennials and Gen Z).

The oldest members of the population, those in the boomer and earlier generations, feel more socially supported and less lonely than those in the younger generations.

One positive finding among the youth: Millennials and Generation Z are more likely than their predecessors to help others in need.”

→ For more information and to read the full report, visit www.worldhappiness.report

→ Nature – 22 September 2021:
Young people’s climate anxiety revealed in landmark survey
“Children worldwide worry about the future and feel let down by governments, a huge study on attitudes towards climate change has found.”

→ Yale School of the Environment – 28 April 2022:
For Gen Z, Climate Change Is a Heavy Emotional Burden
“Britt Wray is a leading researcher on the mental health impact of climate change. In an e360 interview, she talks about the rise of climate anxiety in young people, how social media exacerbates this trend, and why distress about the climate crisis can spur positive change’.”

LETITION: UNIFIED FORCE FOR CLIMATE ACTION

Despite skepticism surrounding some traditional political engagement methods, the Letition system is emerging to give hope to further collective action by many more in the climate action space.

Critics argue that letters to politicians who are sometimes seen as entrenched with fossil fuel interests, may not prompt change. However, the Letition system redefines this narrative by transforming individual letters into a unified, powerful force, demonstrating widespread public demand for climate action.

Letition-system co-founders emphasise that a Letition represents not just one person’s voice but a chorus of concerned citizens, across Australia, aiming to influence and pressure their local representatives.

This collective approach in Geelong has catalysed significant community mobilisation, leading to a pivotal meeting planned to propel the climate conversation both in Geelong and at the national level.

The meeting will take place at the West Geelong Town Hall on the 9th of May 2024 at 5:30 to 7:00pm.

The essence of Letitions is to signal to politicians the pressing need for climate action, backed by visible, quantifiable support from their constituents.

The system has not only facilitated direct engagement with politicians but also aims to reshape the political landscape and narrative. It supports the idea that environmental advocacy should not recede during elections but rather should intensify, as legislative bodies in Canberra are where crucial climate policies are decided.

Mr Robert Patterson, a 9th May meeting co-organiser, points out the critical role of local MPs in carrying the community’s climate action demands to the national stage in Canberra. He suggests that a strong, united message sent using Letitions can influence policy and incite meaningful action against the use of ever increasing fossil fuels with new developments such as Woodside’s Scarborough gas field in Western Australia, the Barossa and Beetaloo fields and the development of the massive Middle Arm petrochemical development in the Northern Territory.

Moreover, the Letition project is designed for accessibility and ease, encouraging even the busiest individuals to participate by investing a few minutes each month to send a Letition-letter. This process is streamlined through the Letition.org website, which guides users through creating and sending their Letitions to specific politicians, emphasising the importance of ongoing, active participation in the fight against climate change. Importantly all letitons sent are counted.

In essence, the Letition system stands as a promising tool in the environmental movement, advocating for change by uniting individual voices into a powerful collective that cannot be ignored. It represents a strategic shift towards more coordinated action, highlighting the importance of persistent, well-informed, and united demands for climate action from the grassroots to the halls of power.

→ www.letition.org

TREES

SONGS

SOCIAL MEDIA NEWSSTREAM



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FULL TRANSCRIPT – The Sustainable Hour no. 496

Antonio Guterres:
The 1.5°C degree pathway is possible. Yet, we will only achieve it with a quantum leap in climate action globally, breaking our fossil fuel addiction and driving decarbonisation in every sector.

Jingle:
The Sustainable Hour. For a green, clean, sustainable Geelong, The Sustainable Hour.

Anthony Gleeson:
Welcome to The Sustainable Hour, it’s episode number 496. We’d like to acknowledge, like we do each week, that we’re broadcasting from the land of the Wathaurong people. We pay tribute to their elders past, present, and those that earn that great honour in the future. They are the custodians of the land in this area. They’ve nurtured it and their communities for millennia before it was stolen by the first wide colonisers. And we can’t have any hope to have any form of climate justice without justice for First Nations Australians.

Mik Aidt:
Australian politics are clearly entering a new era. We are at a turning point, a real watershed moment, I would say. It’s truly exciting because this could be really a political revolution in the making. The problem is we don’t have a name for it yet. So people don’t really see it. They don’t understand what’s going on here. And what am I talking about? Well, in short, here’s the ABC presenter on Saturday night talking about the results of the Tasmanian election, the state election.

Recording: ABC News presenter on 23 March 2024:
Tasmanians have voted for a hung parliament with the Liberals primary vote across a state dropping compared to 2021, with votes instead siphoning off to independents, the Greens and the Jackie Lambie network.

Mik Aidt:
I say we need to find a name for this quickly so that we can talk about it instead of talking about ‘hung parliaments’, which really sounds so negative, or ‘minority government’ and so on. That’s again a very technical term. Could we be talking about something like the ‘crossbench uprise’ or the ‘independent revolution’ or maybe just a wave, maybe it’s ‘the independent wave’ or ‘restoration of democracy’ or ‘community democracy’?

What I’m saying here is language matters. We need to find the right words that can shape our understanding of what’s going on and where we want to go. We need to have a positive word for what we want to achieve at the next federal election.

And why am I rambling about politics like that in a program here called The Sustainable Hour? Because this has everything to do with sustainability. These bushfires, floods, cyclones that we are seeing all over Australia, they’re not just ‘natural disasters’ as they call it in the media. No, they are ‘government approved disasters’ and even ‘government generated disasters’. We could have avoided this if we had taken action 20, 30 years ago and made the right laws. Just like our previous Coalition government, this government, the Labor government, is captured by the money of the fossil fuel industry. That’s what’s been going on for decades. And this is why our governments keep approving new coal mines and new gas fuels as fast as they can, which is madness with all the bushfires and floods and cyclones and everything. They are to be held responsible for the death of our Great Barrier Reef. And the bushfire seasons that killed billions of animals – and people, Australian people, as well. The only way we’ll stop this madness is by doing what they have just done in Tasmania and shown the way: Vote for independents, vote for the small parties.

There were 12 candidates in the Tasmanian election who had supported this Climate Rescue Accord that we’ve been talking about here in the sustainable hour, a new initiative which is about gathering political parties around a strong policy on what we need to do to get to a safe climate. It’s called the Climate Rescue Accord. So, 12 of the independent candidates and the small party candidates had supported this Climate Rescue Accord. And this is the kind of movement that we need to see grow because we do have the federal election around the corner.

In the country I come from, Denmark, we don’t talk about minority governments or hung parliaments and all that, because this is actually how our government runs all the time. We live in a permanent state of minority governments. So we don’t talk about minority governments as such. For us, that’s just democracy.

And here in Australia, people don’t realise that, but a hundred years ago, minority governments were actually normal. It was common in the first decade after the federation from 1901 to 1910. But after that, since then, Australia has only had two small periods where there was a minority government. One was in 1940 and the next one was in 2010. And it’s interesting with the 2010 minority government, which was formed by Labour with the support of one Green member and three independent members, because they initiated a world first type of price on carbon, which worked, which started to dramatically reduce Australia’s carbon emissions.

Of course, until Tony Abbott then got voted in with his stop the boats and kill the carbon tax election slogans. But my point here is, and I’m sorry for rambling along, but we need a new name for what we call this future, this new era that we’re entering, where Australia will be having minority governments, where the independents and the small parties actually have a say. Tony, what do you think? What should we call it instead of a hung parliament?

Anthony Gleeson:
Any of those names would work. I have to have a bit of a think about it, but it’s certainly progress and at a time that it’s needed. And like you say, I can see it being very much leading on to the federal election, which seems like will be held within the next 12 months.

I was fortunate enough to be in Tasmania for the last couple of weeks and I went to the Bob Brown Foundation rally, Protect Our Forests. I got a really strong sense of all the things that you’ve been speaking about this morning, about the concern about democracy being hijacked, concern about the lack of protection for our forests, concern about climate change. So really good speakers and we’ll work at getting them on over the next couple of months to hear what they said. But yeah, there was a really, it was really palpable the feeling that things have to change. So many people that I think we would struggle to get the same amount to a rally in Narm at Melbourne at the moment.

Yeah, interesting place, Tasmania. Interesting and that the trip down there will be unfolded over the next couple of months as we get guests on. But, yeah, encouraging, very encouraging at a time when encouragement is needed.

Mik Aidt:
Exactly. And where ingenuity and some innovation is needed in our language just as well. So if you listeners out there, if you have an idea, send us an email. And our email address is info@thesustainablehour.au. Send your suggestion to what you think we should replace this expression ‘hung parliament’ with.
What should be our new word for what’s going on? What should be the word for the era that we are entering?

Anthony Gleeson:
Just before we go on, I’m just interested in, you talked about 12 candidates that agreed to the Accord. Can we talk a little bit just briefly about that?

Mik Aidt:
Yep, sure, because this was really interesting. The way it happened was that we have something here in Australia that’s a really good tool every time there’s an election. There’s something called the Vote Climate One tool where you can go in and then there’ll be like a traffic light voting system where there’s some candidates that get a red light, don’t vote for the red light. Then there’s some that are orange, they’re sort of maybe okay. And then there’s the green ones, which you would want to vote for if you have a consciousness about what’s going on with the climate. So it’s an assessment of all the candidates in terms of how they have acted so far and how they will be voting when it comes to decisions that matter in the climate aspects.

And in the Tasmanian election, what Vote Climate One did was they simply asked all the candidates, do you or don’t you support the climate rescue accord? And the rescue accord is we’ve talked about it before in the sustainable, but this is an idea that we need to not only reduce the carbon and take carbon out, remove carbon from the atmosphere, but we actually, we need to find a way to do more than that to get to a safe climate. We need to reflect the sunbeams somehow back into space in one way or the other, of course, in a safe way, but in a way where we get faster down to the 350 ppm of the carbon concentration in the atmosphere, which is what we need to if we want to rescue the climate and rescue ourselves and all life on this planet.

Anthony Gleeson:
That’s an exciting initiative that the Vote Climate One, and so easy for people to indicate their wishes. And one thing, the one time that politicians do listen or tend to listen more is around election time. And there’s metrics associated with that, letting them know how many people in there, how many of their constituents intend to vote climate.

Mik Aidt:
Yes, Tony. And this is actually what happened back in 2016, where we started campaigning for that. We wanted our government to declare a climate emergency. So we had a petition and we went around and there was this election in Darebin City Council. And there were seven of the candidates who committed to that. Yes, they signed the petition. Yes, they wanted the government to declare a climate emergency. And because of these seven signatures and because we knew that they had signed, that was the reason that one of the councillors confidently could propose at the first meeting after there was a new council elected in Darebin that Darebin as the first council in the world should declare a climate emergency themselves, because he knew that there was a majority for that because of the petition. You see?

So it’s really important when there’s a commitment from candidates before an election, because it then shows very clearly after the election what can be done. He-hey, here we have a recipe!

So it’s called the Climate Rescue Accord. We’ll come back to talking more about that, and we’ll be talking politics in The Sustainable Hour today. But first, as usual, we have to have a bit of a global outlook to get started, don’t we? But Colin Mockett is on a kind of holiday. He’s working though, he’s busy with a project. So we’ll have it presented by Orpheus instead. And Orpheus, we hope you can give us an update on what’s been happening out there in the big world.

Orpheus: (11:58)
Yes, thank you, Mik. As always, I’ll do my best to weave a tale that not only enlightens, but also entertains as we navigate the choppy waters of our current climate saga.

Our story today begins with a glimpse into the headlines, where the narrative is dominated by extremes. Western Australia, sweating through its hottest summer on record. And across the land, bushfires and flooding play a catastrophic game of tug of war, claiming properties and tragically, lives.

Yet amidst the drama of these disasters, the underlying culprit often escapes the spotlight. It’s lurking right under our noses, or more accurately, in our daily conveniences: the petrol in our cars, the gas powering our stoves, and the coal-generated electricity lighting up our homes. This collective combustion is like the plot twist in a thriller, the kind you never saw coming until it was too late.

And who feels the brunt of this unfolding drama? Our youngest citizens. According to UNICEF Australia, one in six young Aussies are cast in this relentless climate chaos every year, courtesy of our insatiable appetite for fossil fuels. The toll on their mental health, a storyline we can’t afford to ignore.

But wait, there’s a subplot involving our vehicles and appliances that’s just as grim. The emissions from our cars, buses, and trucks are not just a cloud of inconvenience. They’re a lethal antagonist responsible for 11,000 premature exits from the stage of life annually in Australia alone. And let’s not overlook the 66,000 young asthmatics gasping in the wings. “Thanks, mum, for the SUV and the gas stove. My asthma will just be my cross to bear, I guess.”

In a recent turn of events, the American climate agency NOAA has sounded the alarm, announcing a stark milestone in the narrative of our planet’s health. Atmospheric CO2 levels have surged by a breathtaking 4.25 parts per million since last year. This February, we boldly stepped into the unknown, crossing the 425 ppm threshold. Let’s pause for a moment and ponder what these figures really signify.

Picture 1988, when CO2 levels breached the 350 ppm mark, stepping beyond the boundary of a safe climate narrative. Fast forward to today, and the plot has thickened alarmingly fast, hurtling us past 400 ppm and now 425 ppm. These aren’t just numbers. They’re a stark reminder of the pace at which we’re scripting a precarious future for our planet. Now for a twist of humour to lighten the mood.

If someone dismisses the current CO2 concentration of 0.042% as trivial, consider this analogy. It’s akin to having 3,000 adults queue up to urinate in an Olympic-sized swimming pool. Would you dive into that pool? Probably not, despite it being just 0.042%. If we lined up those 3,000 individuals, the queue would stretch 1.5 kilometers, all waiting for their turn to contribute to the, ahem, pool party. This procession would take over 16 hours if done sequentially. So, if you still think 0.042% is negligible, perhaps you’ll reconsider the next time you’re invited for a swim.

In closing, let’s remember, our planet’s climate saga is more than a collection of headlines and statistics. It’s a call to action, a challenge to rewrite the script for a healthier, more sustainable world. And as for finding a cleaner pool to swim in, let’s make sure it’s not just a metaphor but a reality we strive for together. Thank you for tuning in and here’s to making every action count.

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Anthony Gleeson:
Our guest today is a good friend of the show, Robert Patterson. He’s been on several times and he’s always up to something this fellow. You’ve got to watch him. And his latest project is a meeting, a community climate meeting to which all the local politicians will be invited. It’s their choice whether they make it or not, but they’ll certainly be told people’s concerns on that occasion. Robert, we’ve been talking about this for a while. Why May 9? and yeah, why are we doing it now?

Robert Patterson:
Thanks, Tony. And thanks, Mik, for inviting me on today. It’s a great privilege to be on again. To come straight to the point, firstly, Tony, it’s everybody’s project, the 9th of May. It’s not mine. It’s everybody that wants to turn up and have a say. It’s a community meeting. It’s a meeting where we’re going to see who does turn up and who would like to speak and push that we do something about climate. The whole thing is climate, climate, climate. We’ve been battling with it for so long. So, a number of people in Geelong have come together. And if I may say so, a lot of it was as a result of the Letition system that we’ve got going, by which the Geelong people have engaged and sent out now getting up towards 200 Letitions. And so, a number of us thought, well, let’s have a meeting in Geelong on this climate problem and see if we can move the narrative forward in Canberra.

Mik Aidt:
Just, maybe Robert, explain what is the Letition system?

Robert Patterson:
Well, it’s a Letition Project, if you like. And the project is where a large and a growing number of people are understanding what this project is. And there’s been a system developed. It’s a little bit like if you want to do banking, it’s a system and every climate group can participate and start getting their membership to start sending Letitions.

Now a letition is a cross between a letter and a petition. It’s something like, and also rolled in is an open letter. It’s a system by which we can all engage with our local politician and sending Letitions, setting out that we need to engage the public needs to engage with their politicians. It’s all about numbers. It’s like a poll, if you like.

It’s by which our local members of parliament and across the world, we’re getting letitions now sent from New South Wales, South Australia, Queensland, all sorts of people are engaging and by sending a letter to your local member they get a full understanding of what we’re requiring and what we want. And what we want is climate action. And we’re actually sending out letters today to a large number of climate groups in Melbourne and Geelong in support of this Geelong meeting on the 9th of May.

Anthony Gleeson:
Anyone I’ve spoken to in the climate movement initially, Robert, is very negative around letters, sending letters to politicians they tend not to answer. And that’s the way I thought about it initially. But the big plus for me in this is the metrics that’s added into it. So, at any time, people or the politicians can see how many letters, how many people have contacted them. That to me is a big plus because otherwise they can just ignore it. Like we don’t… I don’t know that you’ve written a letter maybe in the old system, but for me, the Letition, that’s a big advantage of it. And it’s why I’m prepared to spend a little bit of time each month sending them out to politicians. And they’re always very carefully and insightfully worded. And there’s always an ask of the politician at the end. And with Richard Marles and Libby Coker of late it’s been, yeah, let’s have a public meeting around this.

Mik Aidt:
My sense is that there’s a lot of dissolution about politics and democracy as a whole in this country. And a lot of people, Robert, would have this feeling that, ah, what is it even worth, you know, sending a letter to these politicians? They’re not going to change. They are in bed with the fossil fuel industry. We know that. And letters are not going to change that.

Robert Patterson:
No, that’s right, Mik, but the thing is we’ve just got to get past the point, as Tony just pointed out, get past the point of what a Letition is. A Letition is not your individual letter. It is a letter from us all. We’re all sending them to our local politician. And if we all do that across Australia, then the local politicians will all get the message that something’s happening. And it is very much happening in Geelong, and the Letition system is proving its worth, because now the people of Geelong have decided that on the strength of Letitions and to support, we’re going to have a meeting on the 9th of May, ask and discussing this, if we can move the narrative forward in Canberra.

As a result of Letitions, this meeting in Geelong has been called on the 9th of May, and we’re asking our local members who are now representative to come along and to explain to us and to let us have a say because as Tony just said, they don’t appear to listen. Well, if they will listen, we feel, if we call this meeting, because if they don’t come and engage with their constituents at this meeting, we will be calling another meeting. This meeting is going to be perhaps the pre-runner to the start of an election campaign because we are very, very frustrated in Geelong and the larger community across Australia that we cannot get the correct action happening in this climate space. And it must be that we’ve got to reduce fossil fuels.

So that’s what the meeting’s about. It will be somewhat, if you want to come along, maybe somewhat political, but that’s where we’re up to. People are doing all sorts of things across Australia, doing things that they wouldn’t normally do. And doing things that we wouldn’t have to do if they took on board and listened to the science, we have a massive, massive climate problem. And it may be battered away and unfortunately battered away by the vested interests. And that’s how it is. And that’s why we’re having a meeting in Geelong.

Mik Aidt:
So, we saw in Tasmania this weekend that the Tasmanians are more and more voting towards, first of all, the Greens and the smaller parties and the independents. Do you think the same thing could happen here in the next federal election in our region? And what would the consequence be, for instance, for Libby Coker, who has two, she’s got 2% more votes than the liberal candidate last election, something like that. But in reality, she doesn’t have more than a third of the voters.

Robert Patterson:
No, that’s right, Mik. And I think the whole thing is getting so serious. We’re having this meeting when we’ve invited her and we’re also inviting the other groups like the Corangamite group, who are voice for Corangamite. We’re inviting anybody that’s interested in politics or in the enormous problem we’ve got with climate. And we’re just hoping that this meeting may change the narrative. So, let’s see how it goes.

Mik Aidt:
I say thumbs up to you, Robert, because I think something that has frustrated me over the last decade is how I have seen the climate groups sort of shy away every time there’s an election, they keep quiet because, “Oh no! We don’t want to mingle with the politicians”, or: “We don’t want to be seen as politically coloured.” “We don’t want to take a stand in an election!” – which is… it seems a little bit strange because it is in parliament that the big decisions are made on climate, isn’t it?

Robert Patterson:
Well, that’s exactly right. The person that will make the decision for us in Geelong and make us very happy, our representatives in Canberra and there’s only two people that can do that for us and take our message to Canberra and that’s Mr Richard Marles and Ms Libby Coker and I’m afraid that’s just the way it is. So those are the people that we’ve got to engage with and convince them and I think also the politicians thing, I’ll just throw this in the mix, supposing they’ve got a thousand politicians. It’s like a poll. They will have a full understanding that there is a pushback against the fossil fuel industry in Corio and Corangamite. And we want change. And change may come if they can’t engage.

So how do people send a letter to these two people?

Well, it’s extraordinarily easy. It’s designed for people that haven’t got the time, that we’ve got children, got kids, got jobs, got all the problems of life and we’re just asking them to spend six minutes per month and if they can do it twice because now on the site there’s four or five very good Letitions on different topics like the duty of care, there’s another one on the changing the coal and gas from climate to resource ministries which is not going to be good. So, it takes six minutes and you go on site and it’s simple, it’s just put in the letition.org and follow the prompts.

VIDEO about Letitions:
Jenna:
In the heart of Canberra, decisions are made that shape our nation, our environment, our future. Wrong decisions such as opening up new carbon bombs and cutting down forests. But outside these walls, a different voice is rising. Yours. Through a new powerful tool called Letitions.

So, what is a Letition? Imagine a letter, a petition, an open letter, a submission, all rolled into one. Written by the grassroots, the concerned, the guardians of tomorrow, people like you. Each month, a new Letition letter is crafted with care, passion, and a plea for real climate action. Your Letition plus hundreds more will land straight into all parliamentarians’ offices. These are not just words, these are the voices of the voters demanding adherence to the clarion calls of the United Nations, the IPCC and the International Energy Agency. Every Letition sent is counted.

It is a vote for change, a demand for a new level of action. Imagine your message among thousands more and more each month creating a wave that cannot be ignored. It’s about our air, our water, our earth. It’s about our children.

The power is at your fingertips. Will you send your first Letition today? Here’s how you do it. Go to letition.org and click on ‘Generate your Letition’. Choose your local MP. If you don’t know who that is, click on ‘Find your local member’. You’ll get the Letition letter sent to your inbox. Add to your email message as you like. Attach your Letition and press Send. Or print it, put it in an envelope with a stamp and post. That’s it! You’re part of the great new wave. When we speak together, our leaders will have to listen or face losing their job after the next election. Your monthly letition letter is your local MPs mandate to act now for our future.

SONG:
Taylor Swift: ‘Only the Young’
[Verse 1]
It keeps me awake, the look on your face
The moment you heard the news
You’re screaming inside and frozen in time
You did all that you could do
The game was rigged, the ref got tricked
The wrong ones think they’re right
You were outnumbered this time

[Chorus]
But only the young, only the young
Only the young, only the young
Can run
Can run
So run, and run, and run

[Verse 2]
So every day now
You brace for the sound you’ve only heard on TV
You go to class, scared
Wondering where the best hiding spot would be
And the big bad man and his big bad clan
Their hands are stained with red
Oh, how quickly they forget

[Pre-Chorus]
They aren’t gonna help us
Too busy helping themselves
They aren’t gonna change this
We gotta do it ourselves
They think that it’s over
But it’s just begun

[Chorus]
Only one thing can save us
Only the young (Only the young)
Only the young (Only the young)
Only the young (Only the young)
Only the young
Only the young (Only the young)
Only the young (Only the young)
Only the young (Only the young)
Only the young
Only the young (Only the young; Don’t say you’re too tired to fight)
Only the young (Only the young; It’s just a matter of time)
Only the young (Only the young; Up there’s the finish line)
Only the young
Can run

[Post-Chorus]
Don’t say you’re too tired to fight
It’s just a matter of time (Can run)
Up there’s the finish line (So run, and run, and run)
Don’t say you’re too tired to fight
It’s just a matter of time (So run)
Up there’s the finish line (And run, and run, and run)

[Outro]
Only the young
Only the young
Only the young

Anthony Gleeson:
Our next guest for today is Jeanne Nel. Jeanne is a governance scholar, and we’ll learn all about that in a minute. She’s a climate… a passionate climate activist, and recently she started up a group, founded a group, called CoolGeelong. So, Jeanne, …and also you’re a genuine tree hugger!

Jeanne Nel:
As authentic as they come.

Anthony Gleeson:
Yeah. So, tell us, yeah, you go with where you want us to go.

Jeanne Nel:
Well, the thing is they actually all go together because governance is about accountability. It’s about stewardship. It’s about responsibility. Climate action is about stewardship, about accountability and about taking responsibility. A couple of years ago, I started CoolGeelong in response to my concern about what’s happening to Geelong’s tree canopy and the fact that we desperately need to manage mature trees well because of the extraordinary role they play in mitigating climate change, ensuring that we have a livable Geelong for future generations, for our kids and our children’s children and the people around us’ children and their children and generations ahead.

And what struck me is that the moment I spoke about climate, there was a reticence among people. People love trees, but the moment you’re connected with climate, you get the feeling, hang on, this has become a political issue, which it shouldn’t be, because the one thing we all own, we all share is Earth as a habitat.

And then I realised that all the questions I ask about the tree canopy and how we regulate the tree canopy really boils down to regulation and local government and federal government and state government regulation and responses of how we deal with nature. So now what CoolGeelong does is we agitate constantly at state, federal and local government level.

We ask and say, people in power need to step up and protect the environment for us, specifically the trees, and make the most of the authority they have to ensure that we protect the environment. And I go to council every month and write letters and ask questions because we as a community should hold people in power accountable and insist that they fulfil their stewardship role. And that this is a thing that runs across and apart from political leanings was evident to me.

I attended a Women in Local Democracy (WILD) meeting the night before International Women’s Day in downtown Geelong and I was astounded. I sat there listening to, I think 15 speakers, with all of them strongly passionate about how we steward our environment, all coming with a profound message of what has been done, what can be done, and across the political spectrum. So we are, and I think women actually provide a wonderful example of how we are able to step outside of party politics to come together to support the climate and protect the climate and steward the climate.

Yeah, and that’s how I feel CoolGeelong and governance in terms of keeping those in power accountable and politics because unfortunately there’s this thinking, a train of thought that projects climate as a political thing. It doesn’t belong to one political party; the Earth belongs to people. And it’s time that we see that. I don’t think that’s a nutshell, but that is it in my nutshell.

Mik Aidt:
Isn’t that where the independents, the so-called community independents, become almost like a revolution in politics in Australia? Something really unique and different that’s been going on for a while. We saw it beginning at the last federal election, and now we had the Tasmanian election that showed that more and more voters are turning towards the independents because they have that integrity where they dare to speak about climate openly.

Jeanne Nel:
Yep, I absolutely agree. I think there’s certainly room, well, certainly in Australian politics, although I wouldn’t give myself out as a political fundi. But I read a piece in The Conversation this morning that said 34 % of voters in Tasmania, moved away from the two big parties towards independent thinking. So I think in Australia there’s a need for and people are, there’s room to consider and say let’s think independently, let’s look after and really consider what my constituency, what’s good for my constituents, what’s good for the environment they live in and be a voice that’s not beholden to any, let’s say, political thinking or theory, but that’s focused on what’s best for the community.

How can we ensure a country, a state, and specifically in Geelong, a city that’s livable for generations to come? And you see that people are they’re starting to think beyond just the two-party options. They’re starting to say: “Hang on, we really need someone that speaks to us,” and people are looking for solutions, for hope, for active things they can do beyond political rhetoric.

Mik Aidt:
Absolutely, Jeanne. And you know what? I think you just gave us the slogan for the next federal election: “Think independent!”. Two words. We’re having this competition or, you know, a call out for ideas for what should be the name for this new trend we’re seeing in Australian politics where the people are, as you said, moving towards independent thinking. And if you have a suggestion, we asked earlier in the program, you can send an email to info at the sustainable hour dot au with your suggestion to what should we call this? Because, you know, when we use this expression, oh, now they have a hung parliament. What kind of an expression is that? That’s so negative. This is not about a ‘hung parliament’. This is about a democracy that really works where the community is being represented by genuine, honest people with values such as the community independents.
Jeanne, I want to ask you, are you the next Teal in our region?

Jeanne Nel:
Oh, wow, I think that moment of silence reflects the ‘what?!’ in my response. There’s certainly a need for, in all the electorates in Victoria, in Australia, we need more than just two parties. Whether I’m the person in Geelong? Well, lots of water needs to, much needs to happen, but I’m sure there are several people in Geelong because there’s more than one constituency here and more than one electorate, be it at local, state and at federal level, that can step up and hear the community and respond to community’s concerns and think independently to be stewards of the earth.

Mik Aidt:
And I guess the meeting that we heard earlier Robert Patterson talk about that’s being organised on the 9th of May at the Geelong West Town Hall could be maybe the founding meeting for that movement that you’re talking about, the stewardship movement, the independents thinking movement.

Jeanne Nel:
Absolutely, but I would really hope that that meeting would also give people practical ideas and practical suggestions, because I think many people read, we’ve tend to fall into a sort of a doomsday narrative when we think about climate which makes people inert, it’s just so overwhelming. It would be great if we could start a movement of let’s think positive, not be blinded by how bad things are, but focus on what are the things that we can do. You probably gather that I’m an avid Conversation reader, which I am.

Now recently, there was another piece in The Conversation on research conducted… a survey conducted in Tasmania. And they asked, they engaged with kids between the age of 10 and 14. And the numbers coming out of that survey is quite disheartening. For instance, it indicates that one in four, 24% of the kids they spoke to believe that the world will end before they grow up, which is really just… It saddens me, it’s a tragedy.

But if you look, and I read through the article and I decided, well, this is what I’m going to focus on. Because amidst all of these disheartening numbers, the article actually contains a profound positive message that we should hold on and tap into. It made a statement about young people and that young people, their ability to affect change and their power to affect change, and that we need to listen to them more, or at least give them an opportunity to speak up and voice how they feel and allow them to participate in the process.

And I think that applies across the board in terms of politics is we need to listen to the community, and we need to be more positive. In terms of climate stewardship, we have to focus on being doers and being go-getters and saying, well, what can we do now instead of focusing on: This is beyond repair? Because I don’t think it’s not. What it is, is there’s no time to wait. Time is of the essence. And we need to – in not so good language, we need to get up our butts and do something. But I think we should also, those of us who have knowledge and awareness, should share that around. And we should start sending out positive messages and making positive actionable suggestions.

Mik Aidt:
And also, you know, speaking about the youth, there was an interesting research done by the United Nations. They come out with an annual report on happiness, a happiness report about all the people in the world, not all, but like 140 countries where they were doing research. And this study showed, similar to what you’re saying, that the most depressed people on the planet in terms of age groups at the moment are the young people. They are significantly more frustrated and angrier than they have ever been as a group. That’s on one side, but then they also found, and this is the interesting thing, that the young people are more altruistic and more giving than they have ever been before. So, they go into, they volunteer and they do things where they help others. They’re more willing to help others than the older generation.

Jeanne Nel:
That is profound because if you look at studies in the past, the volunteer sector was predominantly driven by older people because young people and young adults are so busy with a professional career and family, which I absolutely understand, they don’t have time for volunteering. And that’s why the pandemic had such an extraordinary impact on volunteering all over the world, but also in Australia. It’s because the older generation was the most vulnerable, so they had to step away, but they also made up the heart of volunteering in Australia. That change, if I can speculate, also shows (the change that more young people and younger people volunteer) probably also reflects a change in priorities. So they prioritise, be it climate, be it community, ahead of work. There’s a shift in priorities and values, I think, which is immensely positive.

Jingle / collage of statements:
Unknown voice: Listen to the science.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse: At the heart of this conflict is a battle between truth and science and power and lies.
Climate strikers in Melbourne, 2019: The youth are rising, no more compromising.
Greta Thunberg: Yes, I know we need a system change rather than individual change, but you cannot have one without the other.
Jan Eliasson, former UN deptuty General-Secretary: The most important word in today’s world is in fact Together


Jeanne Nel:
Can I tell you a quick story? Last month, the council put in their agenda a report on tree protection on private land. That agenda report and the recommendation had nothing about community engagement. And then the members of CoolGeelong and well broader, let’s say the community, emailed all the councillors and senior city staff and requested that the council comply with community engagement legal requirements. In the last half hour before the meeting started, they changed the officer recommendation to include community engagement. So it’s such a wonderful example of a community coming together speaking up, engaging, and writing those emails, pressing the council into changing their recommendation, which I’m so proud of that. And that’s the Letitions, get up, write emails, make people of power aware of your concerns. We’re looking, we’re watching them.

Mik Aidt:
It’s also about the numbers, isn’t it? That – with the Letition system… which we talked about earlier, an indirect effect of it is that the numbers are visible. They’re right there on the website. You can see how many letters were sent. That creates that feeling of that we are actually together and we are more and more people who are stepping up, as you say.

Anthony Gleeson:
Yeah, it’s such an inhibiting factor when people feel that they’re alone, like no one else gives a shit about this. But why should I bother? But seeing those, that to me is the really big difference with the latition system, is that those numbers are there front and centre and everyone, including the politicians in the community can look at that and feel supported from the community perspective.
So, Jeanne, we’re coming to a close of the hour and… I just want to hear from you, like a call out to our listeners. What would be your recommendation? What’s the next thing they should do later today, tomorrow? What concrete actions do you think that we need to do?
Become members of CoolGeelong. Is that an option?

Jeanne Nel:
Well, here’s three:
One, please hop onto the internet, find coolgeelong.org and join us. We’re also on Facebook, CoolGeelong News.
Two, write an email. Sit down, write an email to your councillor, your state member. Pick one, a councillor, a state member, a federal member.
And then three, plant a tree!

SONG
The Kiffness: ‘A Song for Shell Oil’
(John Lennon – Imagine Reimagined)

Imagine no seismic blasting
It’s easy if you try
No Shell on the Wild Coast
And no government ties

Imagine all the creatures
Living in the sea

Imagine being a dolphin
It isn’t hard to do
Then Shell start blasting for oil
And it ends up, killing you

Imagine all the creatures
Dying for some grease

Shell may say that it’s legal
But I’m not the only one
Who think that Shell should go & f**k themselves
And the Wild Coast should be left alone

We cannot let this happen
And if Shell follows through
fill up at other stations
and then see what they do

Imagine all the creatures
That we could save today

Shell may say that it’s legal
But I’m not the only one
Who think that Shell should go & f**k themselves
And the Wild Coast should be left alone

Robert Patterson:
Yes, you could write an email, you could write a letter, but there’s something that is much quicker is: Send a Letition. It takes six minutes and it supports what Jeanne’s been talking about to the Geelong Council. So, to do that you need to go onto letition.org and look and find the letition you’d like to send and you can just follow the prompts and in six minutes you’ve sent a letition on to your local member. I’d like to say to all climate groups in Geelong, please let your membership and give the Geelong community the opportunity to hear about the meeting on 9th May. It is now so, so important to let our local parliamentarians know what we, their constituents, want taken to Canberra. This is what will be discussed at length at the Geelong West Town Hall meeting on the 9th of May at 5:30pm.

Mik Aidt:
Don’t forget, you can send an email to us here at The Sustainable Hour if you have an idea, for instance, for a new word for a Hung Parliament or that sort of political movement that we’ve been talking about, or if you have an idea for what a next Letition letter should be about, or if there’s some questions you have and the rest. So: info @ thesustainablehour.au is the email address where we invite you to get engaged. And certainly, we hope to see a lot of faces at the Geelong West Town Hall on the 9th of May.

Anthony Gleeson:
Thanks for coming on, both Robert and Jeanne today. And Jeanne, there’s a rumour going around that you’re going to be returning to the sustainable hour sometime in the not-too-distant future with a panel and we’ll be talking about the importance of more tree covering in Geelong. Any truth in that rumour?

Jeanne Nel:
Yes, indeed. I’m very much looking forward to again visit or join The Sustainable Hour and talk about trees. There will be lots of tree hugging but also talking about the extraordinary role that mature trees and trees in general but specifically mature trees play in making our climate a livable one – and in terms of heat, flooding, a range of other matters, and also increasing the value of your property. So, thank you, Tony and Mik, I can’t wait to be back.

Mik Aidt:
We usually end the hour by saying, be the difference. Maybe today we should end with saying, ‘Don’t be shy, be a tree hugger’.

Anthony Gleeson:
Right. In the trees.

SONG:
Ziggy Alberts: ‘Together’

I wonder why
We seem to be
More concerned with our flags
And nationalities
Oh then we are
With unity or love
More concerned with our differences
In different gods above
And out of all these books that I forgot
Drawn way too harsh in worries of what I’m not
And how this feels when it comes to
Comes to being close to you

And I will fight for this
Stand for right over wrong as
Our old trees are burning down
And I will write for this country I adore
And we can come together now
And I will stand beside you won’t let hate reside here
Lock hands together in the crowd
And we will fight for this country we adore
In hard times each of us know how
Throw fear aside regrowth can come along

And I wonder why
We seem to be
More concerned with selling water to private companies
Oh then we are
With the health of
The rivers where we’re drinking from
The land that’s free and young
And out of all that you are trying to stop
Free speech and thought protests
Against poor plots
Is how this feels when it comes to
That you are me and I am you

And I will fight for this
Stand for right over wrong as
Our old trees are burning down
And I will write for this country I adore
And we can come together now
And I will stand beside you won’t let hate reside here
Lock hands together in the crowd
And we will fight for this country we adore
In hard times each of us know how
Throw fear aside regrowth can come along

I know where we belong
I know where, I
I know where we belong
I know where, I
I know where we belong
I know we’re together
I know where we belong
I know we’re together
I know where we belong
I know we’re together
I know where we belong
I know we’re together
I know where we belong
I know we’re together
I know where we belong
I know where

And I will fight for this
Stand for right over wrong as
Our old trees are burning down
And I will write for this country I adore
And we can come together now
And I will stand beside you won’t let hate reside here
Lock hands together in the crowd
And we will fight for this country we adore
In hard times each of us know how

Throw fear aside regrowth can come along
Throw fear aside regrowth can come along
Throw fear aside regrowth can come along



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