Our guests in The Sustainable Hour on 5 April 2017 are Steven Reddington, senior environmental planner at Barwon Water, Erin Lewis-Fitzgerald, new editor of Slow Magazine, Danny Kennedy, and managing director of the California Clean Energy Fund.
We also play a clip from this week’s Q&A on ABC with federal energy minister Josh Frydenberg and former Danish prime minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt – and with June Norman who campaigns to stop the Queenland coal mine projects by, for the first time in history, taking climate change arguments to Australia’s highest court.
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Barwon Water shows sustainability leadership
Where the federal government is failing, business and local government is leading. For Barwon Water, a new 1MW solar plant at Black Rock is part of the organisation’s broader plan to shift to 100 per cent renewables by 2025.
Steven Reddington, Barwon Water’s senior environmental planner, joins us in The Sustainable Studio to explain to us how this will be rolled out.
The plan is kickstarted with a 2,880-panel solar array at the Black Rock environmental precinct which will feed renewable energy directly to the water reclamation plant — Barwon Water’s most power-hungry asset.
The project will generate around 1,300,000 kilowatt hours of electricity — sufficient to power about 300 homes — and save around 1,500 tonnes of CO₂ emissions annually. The solar project will save more than $130,000 in annual operating costs; more if grid electricity prices rise. The project is expected to pay for itself within 11 years.
The solar farm will mean about 13 per cent of the treatment plant’s electricity is supplied from a renewable source.
» Media release 23 March 2017: Solar project contract awarded
» Barwon Water’ home page: www.barwonwater.vic.gov.au
» Article in RenewEconomy on 31 March 2017:
Victoria set to get 1MW solar farm – built by Barwon Water
“Victorian utility Barwon Water could be responsible for the delivery of one of the state’s first megawatt-scale solar PV farms, after the contract for a 1MW project’s design and construction was last week awarded to Beon Energy Solutions. In a statement issued last Thursday, Barwon Water said the 2,880 panel project slated for development at its Black Rock environmental precinct was now expected to be completed by December…”
» The Sustainable Hour on 23 February 2017:
Water management as a solution to climate change
Wind power for water in Portland
Wannon Water should soon be powering the water and sewerage treatment plant that services the regional city of Portland entirely by wind energy, with the construction of an 800kW wind turbine set for completion mid-2017.
» One Step Off The Grid – 27 May 2016:
Victorian water plant to go 100% renewable, powered by wind turbine
“The water and sewerage treatment plant that services the regional Victorian city of Portland will soon be powered entirely by wind energy, with plans for the construction of an 800kW wind turbine…”
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Erin Lewis-Fitzgerald
13 minute radio interview with Slow Magazine’s new editor, Erin Lewis-Fitzgerald – a social entrepreneur and a maker and re-maker of fun things. She is also the founder and managing director of Bright Sparks Australia.

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Danny Kennedy
Danny Kennedy is “an advocate for sunshine online” and a climate solutions seeker, cofounder of Sungevity and Powerhouse, and the managing director of the California Clean Energy Fund. This is what he told The Sustainable Hour on 5 April 2017 (as he was on his way back to California):
Transcript of this interview with Danny Kennedy in The Sustainable Hour:
“My background is really sort of an energy geek from way back, working on climate issues for decades now, and in the most recent decade or so, I’ve been an entrepreneur in America starting solar companies and now running a fund called the California Clean Energy Fund which is a fund that supports start-ups to succeed in the clean energy space. We have a network of incubators and accelerators around the world. We also have a $24 million dollar fund that I manage that goes to small early stage companies as investments.
So I came to Australia because I’m an Aussie and read about and heard about the Adani issue and was sort of outraged that we’d be going backwards so far and fast in pursuit of this one crazy megamine which I think is a very bad business opportunity in the first instance, but obviously also a kind of crime in terms of the carbon potential and the pollution – and the impact on the traditional owners who oppose it, and so on.
I feel like in my lifetime, one of the great moves that Australia has made is to somewhat respect native title and aboriginal land owners, and to hear that they are trying to gesump that native title through a change to the Native Title Act for this, is sort of one of the last straws – but also, to be honest, I think the idea that you’re saying government would consider giving a billion dollars – taxpayer dollars – to this mine proposal as a free gift, basically, is an outrage in this day and age.
I mean, the truth is the coal industry is crashing. It has had over a century of subsidies from government, mostly in the externalisation of its true cost, like the air quality impacts it creates, and the climate change that it causes. But to imagine that we also give it free cash out of the Australian taxpayer’s pocket is ridiculous when there are so many better investments that the Australian government COULD be making than this.
So that’s why I came – and where I come from. I’m involved in Energy Lab Australia, an incubator in Sydney trying to start start-ups here in Australia in the energy space. You know, I’m a big believer… The transition the world is going through away from dirty energy towards clean is actually a huge economic moments for us and there’s lots of jobs and value to be created, but Australia seems to be resisting all that and sort of going back to the past with the pursuit of coal at all costs. Even though coal is a capital intense, not very labour intense, and even though it would blow our diplomatic commitments to Paris, our moral commitment to our children, because of the climate change it will create.”
What is your advice to us Australians? You are going back to America now, but what’s your advice to us, and what are you going to do about it yourself when you are back in America?
“I will try and keep up the pressure, the same way as I’d advice your listeners to let financiers know about what a doon-doggle this is. In Australia in particular I think right now getting Westpac to show that they won’t finance the last possible leg standing for domestic finance of scale.
NAB, National Australia Bank, has already said clearly a no. And Commonwealth Bank and ANZ seem disinclined to do anything with this mine. We need to get Westpac out of it.
So I think that is the first thing to do. If your listeners have accounts with Westpac, they should go in and talk to their branch manager about it, they should let them know. They should go to the StopAdani website for recourses, to join a group and get involved, maintaining and building pressure on Westpac.
And then I also think they should stay in touch with the Stop Adani campaign and see what other political and financial leverage there are. I do think that financial leverage is where this thing will get killed. I mean it when I say that this thing is very uninvestable. As someone who does this now as a job, investing in energy start-ups, I can assure you coal markets are pretty grim.
Right now, new coal mines are particularly hard to finance. You can look at Bloomberg’s New Energy Finance website today for a story about just how difficult the funding for a thermal coal plant is. For Adani to add 60 million tonnes [of coal] a year, or even 25 million tonnes a year, would just create more of a glutch on the market and reduce the profitability further. Already most of these mines are running near a loss.
One of the political impacts that Australia has to watch out for – the Law of Unintented Consequences – is that if they open Adani in Queensland and start exporting tens of millions of tonnes of thermal coal from north in Queensland, the New South Wales coal mines would be very badly inpacted. I think you will see a lot of job losses in the Hunter, and that’s sort of a crazy Faustian bargain to close down existing jobs and existing mines that we are trying to just phase out gradually, and then instead open a new one which is probably going to become a stranded asset if it were to begin – I don’t think it will ever it’s life.
That’s what I talked about [in Melbourne] on Friday: the fact that the Indian government is also pursuing a phase out of coal. Just like the United Kingdom, the United States, China and most major economies have done. The first stage of that phase is to shift to domestic supply of coal, and in India there’s a lot of coal and it’s actually much cheaper to produce that the Adani coal which is to be exported to India.
The Indian minister for power, Piyush Goyal, is on the records for saying they want to stop import of coal within three years, and meanwhile they have a thing they call the National Solar Mission which is massively building up solar in the country. They have already built 10 gigawatts in three years from a standing start – and they intend to build 100 gigawatts over the next five years, by 2022. And 100 gigawatts is like a 100 large scale coal thermal plants – it doesn’t have the same capacity factor but that’s a detail, I think your listeners can understand it is a massive build-out on foot in India of clean energy, and wind also as well as solar.
Meanwhile they are intentionally trying to get rid of coal in the mix because they have the same air quality issues that China has suffered. And the cost and variability and riskiness of the supply of coal and places like Adani are simply too great. It’s better to do it with clean energy. So I think it’s a bad bet. It is likely to not be built out, and if it begins, then anyone invested is likely to face not making their money back, and that includes the Australian taxpayer who has been asked to subsidise it with a billion dollars.” [ENDS]
Danny Kennedy at TEDxSydney in 2013
» Information about Danny Kennedy on www.wikipedia.org
Why the movement to #stopAdani will win. Explains the deal… https://t.co/0tLwH4siyo
— Danny Kennedy (@dannyksfun) April 3, 2017
This is great! What blue me away last week is how ill-informed the government is in Oz https://t.co/3NHRAomRLb
— Danny Kennedy (@dannyksfun) April 6, 2017
So why did Queensland give an extra half-century of free unlimited uncontrolled access to the Great Artesian Basin to a coal company? https://t.co/LHAUlVMyZr
— Dr Karl (@DoctorKarl) April 5, 2017
Stop the coal mines – stop Adani
Help lawyers take the first climate change case to the High Court
“You care about the Reef. You care about the future. We urgently need your help to take climate change to the High Court. Represented by the experienced non-profit lawyers at Environmental Defenders Office Queensland, we’re going to the High Court to ask it to hear arguments about the climate change impacts of coal mines for the very first time.”
~ June Norman, Coast and Country member, and Queensland grandmother
For the first time in history, Australians have the opportunity to take climate change arguments to our country’s highest court.
The campaign started on 30 March and will end on 29 April 2017. On 4 April 2017, 388 supporters had so far raised $27,742 of the $60,000 target – with 25 days left.
» Chip in – on www.chuffed.org
June Norman elaborates:
“It’s taken us years to get to this point. And we can’t do it without your urgent support, as our funds have been exhausted. Our application for special leave has been filed with the High Court to appeal the Court of Appeal decision with respect to the climate change impacts of the Alpha coal mine.
If we win, it will confirm that decision-makers in Queensland have to consider the environmental harm from large coal mines on our climate and the Reef. Please, help us take Australia’s first climate case to the High Court by making a tax-deductible donation to EDO Qld today.
Your donation goes to Environmental Defenders Office Queensland, not to us. If your generous donations exceed the funds needed for this case, they will go towards the other climate legal work of EDO Qld. As a community legal centre, you’ll get the most from every dollar you donate.”
“All around the world courts are accepting science, and overturning government inaction on climate change. But legal actions are time consuming and costly. Without your urgent support this case cannot continue.”
~ Sean Ryan, Principal Solicitor of Environmental Defenders Office Queensland
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“It beggars belief that at the height of Cyclone Debbie, the Queensland government handed over a licence for Adani to take an unlimited amount of water until 2077. The land of droughts and flooding rains has been laid to waste by politicians for coal.”
Holly Creenaune, Dulwich Hill – in Sydney Morning Herald
“Unfortunately, your government puts greed, environmental degradation and politics above your best interests. The news that the Adani company will have unfettered access to groundwater has just been the last straw.”
Lee-Ann Groblicka, Turramurra – in Sydney Morning Herald
Australian government’s case for coal sales to India collapses
The Australian government’s case for coal sales to India collapses as Adani’s plans for low quality exports are exposed
As India intensifies efforts to boost renewable energy, the Australian Government’s case for it being an economic and moral destination for Queensland coal is falling apart.
Along with vast sums of taxpayer money being handed to Indian energy giant Adani being bound for tax havens, the Government talking point about Australian coal being the ethical choice for India as it is less polluting than other sources has collapsed with the news that Adani plans to send poor-quality high-ash coal to India while exporting the marginally less polluting variety to better markets in Asia.
» ABC News – 3 April 2017:
Adani plans to export low quality, high ash coal to India, court told
The world’s biggest coal exporter has a problem. Demand for the dirtiest fuel is on the wane. The International Energy Agency — which has tended to overestimate coal production, and underestimate renewables — doesn’t expect consumption to regain its 2014 levels until 2021. Investment in new mines is “drying up,” according to its latest market forecast.
» Bloomberg – 2 April 2017:
Coal’s Dirty Secret
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.@HelleThorning_S says we can't back out of this. We will have a better future if we stop using fossil fuels. @Yunus_Centre agrees #QandA pic.twitter.com/spxUg07AHE
— ABC Q&A (@QandA) April 3, 2017
Energy and climate discussed in ABC’s Q&A
Former Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt was guest in Q&A on ABC on 3 April 2017. Among other things, she raised the issue of climate change. She said:
“Climate change is actually real. It’s happening … We’re seeing unprecedented numbers of refugees as it is; we will have to add to that climate refugees. So I don’t think any of us can back out of this discussion. This is a real issue and no one can solve this alone. But every country can play its part.”
Asked by Q&A host Tony Jones whether she was making an argument against coal, Thorning-Schmidt replied: “Renewable energy is not coal.”
Muhammad Yunus, the Bangladeshi Nobel peace laureate and micro-financing pioneer, echoed Thorning-Schmidt when he said Australia’s transition from fossil fuels depended on “the strength of the commitment” to renewables.
“That determines everything else. If you’re not quite sure how far we want to go, how quickly we want to go, then we’ll never get there. It has to be very clear this is what we’ll do: we’ll forget about fossil fuels and everything else.”
Once the objective was clear, he said, the necessary technology would follow, pointing to the uptake of solar energy in Bangladesh.
» The Guardian – 4 April 2017:
We can’t be Denmark: Josh Frydenberg plays down wind energy potential on Q&A
“Energy minister says Australia’s remoteness means it cannot match European countries yet in producing electricity from renewables.” Article by Elle Hunt
When will we design our energy policy to replace our dependency from fossil fuel? @JoshFrydenberg & @HelleThorning_S respond #QandA pic.twitter.com/Kb47X9U8Z3
— ABC Q&A (@QandA) April 3, 2017
Denmark began renewable transition 30 years ago. "Australia is not taking its place in the world. We miss you!" Former Danish PM on #Qanda pic.twitter.com/EOfdso0AKL
— Earthquack (@Triton214) April 3, 2017
Wise words from @HelleThorning_S #climatechange is everyone's problem #QandA #auspol
— Deborah Tobias (@DeborahTobias) April 3, 2017
Questioner asks Minister for the Environment Frydenberg why can't Australia have similar levels of renewable energy as Denmark. #qanda
— Denmark in Sydney (@DenmarkinSYD) April 3, 2017
20 million climate change refugees? It may even be far more than that in the future: https://t.co/LLPcLfVyDN #qanda
— The Conversation (@ConversationEDU) April 3, 2017
#ClimateChange is the greatest threat to all life on #earth & yet @JoshFrydenberg just turns it back to the economy Pfft!#qanda
— Linda Gill (@earth1stLinda) April 3, 2017
There's no reason (except politics) that Australia can't shift towards 100% renewable power. #qanda
— Ben Cubby (@bencubby) April 3, 2017
#qanda So refreshing having frank discussion of 100% renewable energy, #climateemergency, #climate refugees and massive wealth inequality.
— Jane Morton (@SafeClimate) April 3, 2017
Energy storage is not experimental – check out @GU_Sciences #industry ready #research #QandA @JoshFrydenberg
— Alison Rice (@alison_mrice) April 3, 2017
Australia has its own climate refugees in QLD and NSW as we speak – but that is a taboo in this country – and even on ABC News. Why? #qanda
— Mik Aidt (@mikaidt) April 3, 2017
As we see in QLD and NSW now we must stop burning coal and get below zero carbon emissions as quickly as possible #QandA @JoshFrydenberg
— Mik Aidt (@mikaidt) April 3, 2017
Our politicians could learn a lot from Helle Thorning-Schmidt on equality and climate change #refreshing #qanda
— Anshu Wijeyeratne (@anshuw) April 3, 2017
When #QandA is over all the panelists will fly home, the wealthy ignorant of aviation climate impacts disproportionately felt by poor
— John Englart EAM (@takvera) April 3, 2017
Do you foresee a time in the very near future where we can be replacing fossil fuel with renewable energy? #QandA https://t.co/AU7N36pWNe
— The Conversation (@ConversationEDU) April 3, 2017
We’re proud to be sponsoring the @ClimarteAus Festival – ART+CLIMATE=CHANGE 2017! Find out more at: https://t.co/qe0ATVKLS7 #climatechange pic.twitter.com/JMU3uR3r0w
— Sustainability Vic (@SustainVic) April 3, 2017
Comments in Q&A’s Facebook-thread
“We saw it right here on the panel – the issue is political will more than anything technological and the two major parties both lack political will”
Josh McGee
“And vision, and intelligence, and courage, and unity, and integrity, and loyalty, and conviction, and integrity, and ….”
Dona Eaton
“Regardless of whether you believe climate change or not, we are entering a period where a number of our existing power generators need replacing. The cost of renewables are almost equal or even cheaper than the cost of building a new coal or gas fires power station. Coal is old technology and there is no such thing as clean coal.”
Thomas Wheeler
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From our notes of this week: news stories and events we didn’t have time to mention but which we think you should know about
#WEO16 forecasts 37% of power generation will come from #renewables in 2040. 58% is needed in a 2 °C scenario https://t.co/G3EjjEYXH0 pic.twitter.com/27326VHU2I
— IEA (@IEA) April 3, 2017
Rapid warming and disintegrating polar ice sets the stage for "societal collapse" https://t.co/Msvun4cfNp pic.twitter.com/Q4gXQuvC1l
— Climate Progress (@climateprogress) April 3, 2017
I've seen a lot of climate charts – none of them cut through quite like this one by @aviandelights https://t.co/74GjqTV8Y7 pic.twitter.com/ZVGsJxZPKF
— Ketan Joshi (@KetanJ0) March 20, 2017
6 years left before Australia blows it's carbon budget. No space for new #coal. #StopAdani #iDEAConf @AnnastaciaMP @TurnbullMalcolm pic.twitter.com/AoNK2yGzbl
— DrsForTheEnvironment (@DocsEnvAus) March 31, 2017
Invested in Change? So are we. pic.twitter.com/JVuWt02Vlf
— Morphic Funds (@MorphicFunds) March 15, 2017
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A house swept away by flood waters minutes after the @QldSES rescue a family of four from the roof @ABCNewsBrisbane pic.twitter.com/ifcffsZyDo
— Jessica van Vonderen (@jessvanvonderen) April 2, 2017
@AnnastaciaMP, does it occur to you how phony you look saying this when at the same time you're in love with climate-disrupting coal? https://t.co/ciRKI44cSW
— The Sustainable Hour (@SustainableHour) April 3, 2017
"The question of how much fossil fuel we're willing to burn is a question of how many lives we're willing to lose" @AmeliaTelford #StopAdani
— 350Australia (@350Australia) March 31, 2017
I wish governments would act without delay on climate change minimisation and disaster mitigation. https://t.co/UpIVRX1Ndn
— David Jenkins (@DavJenks) April 3, 2017
Updated: Coral, coal, climate change and #stormsurges #CycloneDebbie and coal infrastructure. #StopAdani #nofibs https://t.co/PkMOjhUoqm pic.twitter.com/zmpHvGormL
— John Englart EAM (@takvera) March 27, 2017
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#Solarenergy and salt water power vegetable farms in the desert https://t.co/w4Ucxds0rA via @DailySabah #cleanenergy #farming pic.twitter.com/4Jlw5Y29YR
— Climate Council (@climatecouncil) April 3, 2017
$19.5m grant for Albany #WaveEnergy Project progresses with a newly elected WA Government @walabor Learn more here: https://t.co/8kDfKGqVJR pic.twitter.com/fPpNQg5sBs
— CarnegieCleanEnergy (@carnegieclean) March 12, 2017
Covenant of Mayors
World’s biggest urban climate & energy initiativehttps://t.co/9HhhNjAdm3 HT @DrDCWahl pic.twitter.com/ZvhVuLlZ3F— CECHR (@CECHR_UoD) May 25, 2016
Tasmania installs 1MW commercial #solar array as residential market “rockets” https://t.co/jre0mUScww pic.twitter.com/t6u3aLrrii
— OneStepOffTheGrid (@OneStepOffGrid) March 29, 2017
South Australia to get $1bn solar farm and world's biggest battery #ActOnClimate https://t.co/n6x6MWyeLc
— Market Forces (@market_forces) March 30, 2017
It's a big day for city #ClimateAction today, with Mayors of Paris, London & Seoul announcing new plans https://t.co/a1DoRaIKIf #Cities4Air pic.twitter.com/oPD2q01gqV
— UN Climate Action (@UNFCCC) March 29, 2017
@bencubby Australia can use 100% renewable energy for fixed energy and transport, AND export renewable energy too. https://t.co/1xY21cB7kg #qanda
— Askgerbil Now (@Askgerbil) April 3, 2017
Yesterday, wind provided 1/5 of Europe's electricity! Denmark 70%, Ireland 56%, Germany 53%, Romania, Austria, UK 20%, Poland 18%, NL 17% pic.twitter.com/Xfrx1iRCXr
— Kees van der Leun (@Sustainable2050) March 19, 2017
Renewable energy grew 7% in U.S. while fossil fuel production in U.S. fell 7% in 2016 – new @EIAgov report https://t.co/H0B29R59au
— Christopher N. Fox (@ChristopherNFox) April 3, 2017
Anyone under 30 should detest any politician who supports an increase in fossil fuel use: it's their future at stake #qanda
— Julian Burnside (@JulianBurnside) April 3, 2017
Beer o’clock? German brewery to go 100% renewables! Which AUS breweries will follow? @coopersbrewery @LtCreatures? https://t.co/YhuReVcvS5
— Yes 2 Renewables (@Yes2Renewables) April 3, 2017
.@BradBattinMP: Taking action on climate will stimulate the economy… Good reason to review oppsn policy. #SpringSt https://t.co/cV9nB6cwqe
— Leigh Ewbank (@TheRealEwbank) April 3, 2017
That's the goal!… #ActOnClimateVic https://t.co/So5dxBq0JX
— Leigh Ewbank (@TheRealEwbank) April 3, 2017
.@MatthewGuyMP ignores climate impacts, doubles down on polluting coal & gas. Time 4 them 2 get serious > https://t.co/dLOjuERSBe #SpringSt pic.twitter.com/HDBKL2Np6n
— Act on Climate Vic (@ActOnClimateVic) April 2, 2017
Campaign co-ord Leigh Ewbank has a letter in The Age. Premier Andrews has an opp to right Fed govt wrongs on climate/energy. #SpringSt pic.twitter.com/hubNoBgdmP
— Act on Climate Vic (@ActOnClimateVic) March 14, 2017
No gas shortage, but a failure in #auspol regulation of exploitation of natural resources for little public benefit or gain. https://t.co/VwSvvU5poR
— John Englart EAM (@takvera) March 15, 2017
If your energy bills are $3500/yr, your house is probs v inefficient. Efficiency programs/rules fix the cause. Prevention better than cure. pic.twitter.com/Zk9sIP4FNS
— Nicholas Aberle (@NickAberle) March 31, 2017
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Acknowledgement
We at The Sustainable Hour would like to pay our respect to the traditional custodians of the land on which we are broadcasting, the Wathaurong People, and pay our respect to their elders, past, present and future.
The traditional owners lived in harmony with the environment and with the climate for hundreds of generations. It is not clear – yet – that as European settlers we have demonstrated that we can live in harmony for hundreds of generations, but it is clear that we can learn from the indigenous, traditional owners of this land.
When we talk about the future, it means extending our respect to those children not yet born, the generations of the future – remembering the old saying that…
The decisions currently being made around Australia to ignore climate change are being made by those who won’t be around by the time the worst effects hit home. How utterly disgusting, disrespectful and unfair is that?
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“Participation – that’s what’s gonna save the human race.”
Pete Seeger, American singer
Rapid change is necessary for a safe climate future. If it is cheaper to use renewable energy people will adopt it. The more renewable energy is adopted the cheaper it becomes. Municipalities like Noosa, Byron Bay & Nillumbik are working to emit zero carbon emissions within 10 years. Politicians will act if they see their constituents choosing RE. Al Gore’s TED talk Feb. 2016 explains how the necessary speedy change could happen with the business opportunities RE offers.
Marguerite Marshall