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The 539th episode of The Sustainable Hour is all about defending our democratic rights.
David Glanz from the Defend Dissent Coalition challenges us to defend the bedrock of our democracy, i.e. the right to protest, as this right is under attack from the Victorian Labor government via their proposed anti protest laws.
Following David we have Jaimie Jeffrey and Sarah Hathway shining a light on our region’s contributions to the ‘arms race’ and the possible consequences of this. They ask: do we really want the Avalon area to become a “death precinct”? They also question the level of the City of Greater Geelong financial support for the upcoming Avalon Air Show.
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About our guests
David Glanz is an activist with Free Palestine Melbourne and the Defend Dissent Coalition. They will be holding an important rally outside Victoria’s Parliament House on Wednesday 19 March 2025. It will start at 5:30pm.
They are calling on anyone who values our true democratic right to protest to be there and show their concerns about this proposed assault on them from our elected representatives in state parliament
Defend Dissent Coalition is a coalition of groups that are determined to face down Victoria’s proposed ill thought out draconian measure aimed at stopping protest. Protest which is the foundation of true democracy. This coalition has formed between a number of groups who feel they have a responsibility to respond to such unjust laws.
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Jaimie Jeffrey is a Geelong-based peace and human rights activist. Independent and Peaceful Australia Network (IPAN) is a national organisation with state and regional branches. It campaigns against war, militarism, AUKUS and US bases on Australian soil. It also campaigns for Australia to have foreign and security policies that are independent of the United States.
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Sarah Hathway, 34, is a long term socialist activist and a former Socialist Alliance Councillor for City of Greater Geelong in the Windermere Ward. She is a trade unionist and a social worker in community mental health services, now running as a candidate in the upcoming Federal Election in the seat of Corio.
Sarah has a track record of advocating strongly against Council support for local weapons manufacturing. She supports community and environmental campaigns like those opposing the waste incinerator in Lara, the gas import terminal in Corio Bay, and opposing the Avalon Weapons Expo.
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Socialist Alliance stands for socialism — a democratic society run by and for working people, not the greedy, destructive capitalist elite that now rules. The party puts people and the planet before profit, the millions before the billionaires. They believe that a society based on this principle is entirely realistic, and necessary if humanity and the planet are to survive.
In order to bring about such a society, the institutions that protect and defend this ruling elite such as parliament, government administration, police and the military will have to be replaced with institutions under the democratic control of ordinary people. This change must be brought about with the active participation of the majority of people.
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Jaimie Jeffrey and Sarah Hathway co-convene the Geelong and Vic Southwest branch of IPAN, the Independent and Peaceful Australia Network, which also campaigns for peace and justice in Palestine and against increasing weapons manufacturing in Geelong. Their main campaign currently is against the Avalon Airshow and Weapons Expo.
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Petition
Jaimie refers to a digital petition to the City of Greater Geelong to defund their connection to what they call the ‘Death Show at Avalon Airport’ later this month. If you wish to support them, here’s the link to that petition.
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Songs
Mik orchestrates two AI generated songs in today’s Hour:
1. Rising Tide
2. Starting From Today
The lyrics of both these songs appear in the transcript
Rising Tide | Lyrics
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The saying that “Democracy is not a spectator sport” comes into sharp focus in this week’s show. All our guests recognise that true democracy is under attack and are determined to do all they can to rally against that.
In David’s case, it’s against the very bedrock of our democracy: the right to protest, the right to dissent. All over the world right now democracies are under attack. The Victorian government is the latest to propose draconian laws against this fundamental tenet of a truly free country. The Defend Dissent Coalition has formed to rally against what they see as a basic human rights issue.
Jaimie and Sarah are just as determined to let people know the extent of the armaments industry in our area, particularly around the Avalon airport area. They are of the firm belief that people have a right to know the extent of this currently as well as the possible consequences of this area becoming a “defence precinct” as local MP, Deputy Prime Minister and current Minister for Defence Richard Marles proudly posits. They rightly question the wisdom of this happening.
They also question the big deal of the ‘Avalon Air Show’, which is for the most part an arms and armaments trade show. This occurs every two years in March. They express their concerns about the extent of City of Greater Geelong’s financial support for this event at a time when Council is cutting what are seen as essential services.
We hope that Jaimie, Sarah and David have made you think about your role in protecting our democracy. As we often say in The Sustainable Hour, quiet concerns don’t exist for politicians. So make them heard.
~ Tony Gleeson
“Unfortunately, we’ve got this culture in Australia that you don’t talk about religion or politics. That was something that got drilled into me as a child. But I feel at election time, people are a little bit more open to talking about the issues, particularly what’s impacting them. And I have to say, I’ve never seen people more angry than I have right now. And I think that’s both an opportunity for us broadly on the left, or progressive, or however you want to describe yourself, social justice warriors on any issue. But I think there’s a risk there and we’re seeing this in the U.S. and in other countries of socialism or barbarism. People are looking for answers. They’re turning away from the major parties and if we’re not out there engaging with them, putting forward progressive ideas, trying to win votes to socialist, Greens, progressive independents, then we risk they’re going to turn to these far-rights.”
~ Sarah Hathway, Socialist candidate for Corio in the upcoming federal election
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We at The Sustainable Hour would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we are broadcasting, the Wadawurrung People. We pay our respects to their elders – past, present, and emerging, and extend that respect to all First Nations people.
The traditional custodians lived in harmony with the land for millennia, nurturing it and thriving in often harsh conditions. Their connection to the land was deeply spiritual and sustainable. This land was invaded and stolen from them. It was never ceded. Today, it is increasingly clear that if we are to survive the climate emergency we face, we must learn from their land management practices and cultural wisdom.
True climate justice cannot be achieved until Australia’s First Nations people receive the justice they deserve. When we speak about the future, we must include respect for those yet to be born, the generations to come. As the old saying reminds us: “We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children.” It is deeply unfair that decisions to ignore the climate emergency are being made by those who won’t live to face the worst impacts, leaving future generations to bear the burden of their inaction.
“The Indigenous worldview has been marginalised for generations because it was seen as antiquated and unscientific and its ethics of respect for Mother Earth were in conflict with the industrial worldview. But now, in this time of climate change and massive loss of biodiversity, we understand that the Indigenous worldview is neither unscientific nor antiquated, but is, in fact, a source of wisdom that we urgently need.”
~ Robin Wall Kimmerer, weallcanada.org
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Our right to protest is at risk
Friends of the Earth Melbourne wrote:
| For more than 50 years we’ve been fighting for the environment. We’ve been part of many wins along the way; getting a ban on whaling in Australian waters, stopping radioactive waste dumps, a ban on unconventional gas mining or the recent end to native forest logging to name a few. None of these community campaigns would have been won without peaceful protests and demonstrations. Whether it’s marching on Spring St or locking on at a logging coupe, peaceful protest has been an essential tactic for the environment movement to take on the powerful and protect the environment and community. But Victorian Labor is threatening our right to protest. Late last year, Premier Jacinta Allan announced a new suite of policies that would criminalise protestors, and they want to push them through parliament as soon as possible.The anti-protest laws include the following measures: A ban on the use of facemasks at protests (unless a medial or religious reason can be presented)A ban of ‘dangerous attachment devices’ including glue, rope, chains and bike locks A ban on protests within a certain distance from religious institutions, which would greatly limit spaces in the city where protests would be allowed A ‘social cohesion pledge’ that multicultural organisations must observe to apply for government grants – with ‘consequences’ if the pledge is broken. But civil society groups are united in opposition to the new suite of laws. Human Rights advocates have grave concerns about increased Police power to ‘stop, search and seize’ any protestor for simply wearing a facemask or carrying a bike lock with them. A ban on facemasks is being slammed by disability and civil rights advocates for not only risking people’s health, but also preventing people from protecting their anonymity when attending peaceful demonstrations in a social media and surveillance age where cameras are always on us. Faith groups are outraged about the ban on protests at places of worship, which have been sites of gathering for protest for centuries. They are also slamming the ‘social cohesion statement’ which could be easily politicised by the government of the day, threatening their independence and insinuating ill will. The union movement is clear about the intention of this legislation to have a dampening effect on anyone trying to assert their rights and fight for change. Grassroots groups are clear that these laws have been created to crush direct action protests which effectively draw the community’s attention to environmental and social justice issues and put pressure on those in power. PUSH BACK WITH A LETTER TO YOUR MP Plenty of laws exist to protect people’s safety against criminal behaviour and violence. This legislation has nothing to do with protecting the community. Criminalising protest puts vulnerable communities at risk. It does nothing to combat violent extremism. The Allan government should be confronting right wing extremism, not falsely conflating it with legitimate peaceful protest. These latest laws are part of a world-wide push back on protest and shrinking of the role of civil society. In recent years we’ve seen the introduction of terrorism-like charges being introduced in response to protests on critical infrustructure, draconian laws including huge fines and jail time for forest protesters, and the introduction of a ‘protest permit’ system in NSW and fines of up to $22 000, with climate activists facing absurd bail conditions and even jail time. The push has come from both major parties, who use their power to dampen democracy and protect the powerful, in a time where preserving our rights to peaceful protest are more important than ever. We must push back and fight for the right to protest, a right that has secured us civil and workplace rights, protection for the most vulnerable and helped protect our precious environment. RALLY THIS WEDNESDAY TO PROTECT OUR RIGHT TO PROTEST |
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| Join us as we march alongside grassroots groups, civil society, faith organisations and regular people to protect our right to peaceful protest.The Defend Dissent Coalition’s Rally to Protect our Right to Protest will happen this Wednesday, March 19th 5.30pm at State Parliament on Spring St! We hope you can join us. See you there, Chloe – Friends of the Earth Melbourne www.melbournefoe.org.au |
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Transcript of The Sustainable Hour no. 539
Antonio Guterres, UN Chief:
We are at the moment of truth, but we have a breakdown of trust.
Jingle:
The Sustainable Hour. For a green, clean, sustainable Geelong. The Sustainable Hour.
Tony Gleeson:
Welcome to The Sustainable Hour. We’d like to acknowledge that we’re broadcasting from various lands this morning. I’m on the Eastern Maar people of Gundidjmara Country at Port Fairy, just think to yourself of the Country that you’re on at the moment. So we’re on stolen land, land that was never ceded, always was, and always will be First Nations land. We have so much to learn from them. As we navigate the climate emergency, they have developed incredible lifestyles based on nurturing both their land and the communities. And that was developed over millennia. So in that ancient wisdom, we have much to learn, much, much, much to learn as we focus on the climate emergency and on peace as well.
Mik Aidt:
How much do we need to lose before we begin to take the climate emergency seriously? We just had Cyclone Alfred costing insurers $2 billion. That’s $2 billion wiped out from businesses and people like you and me. And meanwhile, Woodside just reported a $3.5 billion profit, which is, as we know, built on this climate destruction.
This is a company that profits from spewing emissions up into the atmosphere and they’re laughing all the way to the bank with 3.5 billion dollars in profit. And meanwhile, communities up in the north-northeast of Australia now are left with footing a bill of $2 billion dollars for floods and food shortages.
That’s what we talk about in The Sustainable Hour almost every week. But before we get too fired up, let’s hear what’s been happening around the world. Colin Mockett OAM. What do you have for us today?
COLIN MOCKETT’S GLOBAL OUTLOOK:
Yes, thank you Mik, and thank you, Tony. Mik and I are on Wadawurrung land which is part of the Kulin Nation, and I’m going to begin up in north-eastern Australia where in the wake of last weekend’s Cyclone Alfred which is counted as a near miss for the large population centres of Brisbane and the Gold Coast, it was still the most southerly cyclone to hit the Australian mainland. Ever.
Even prime minister Anthony Albanese, who is an expert at fudging the climate change cause, went on record saying that ‘every January is hotter than before’.
And it prompted even the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who’s an expert at fudging the climate change causes – went on record saying that every January is hotter than before.
Now, it’s well to remember that Cyclone Alfred was not what it is termed a natural storm. That is one that occurs regularly or even intermittently. Australia’s East Coast ocean temperatures were historically the hottest on record between last October and this February, which scientists predicted would lead to more frequent extreme storms and weather.
The root cause is, of course, climate change caused by burning fossil fuels. But still our elected leaders are reluctant to admit this. Incidentally, I looked up the methods of creating electrical power in Queensland, and 32 per cent of it is coal burning, 36 per cent of it is oil burning, 20 per cent of it is gas, and 27 per cent is all the other methods of renewable energy.
That’s everything from wind to solar to tidal. And that of course tells you quite a lesson that we still, we keep saying these things but we don’t do anything about it.
But now to Denmark, where last week Greenpeace delivered more than half a million signatures to a coalition of politicians from 15 different countries, who are all currently considering whether to take political action that would make polluters pay. Those countries include Denmark itself, and the petitions demand that oil and gas companies be held accountable for the climate damage they’re causing.
The petition states that over the past decade, extreme weather events have reportedly cost around 14 trillion krona in global damages. Now, while oil companies such as TotalEnergies, Exxon, Shell and BP remain focused solely on lining their own pockets. Now, we will keep an eye on the petitioned countries to see which of them follow up in the courts.
We’ll keep an eye on the petitioned countries to see which follow up in the courts.
Now I’ve got some good news from Pakistan of all places, where in mid-2024 analysts started noticing that demand for electricity from the national grid was dropping sharply. After some research, which included looking down from satellites via Google Earth, they found the cause.
It was small local businesses and farmers annoyed by their nation’s expensive and unreliable electric supply had bypassed their grid entirely and bought cheap Chinese solar panels, which were covering the roofs of homes, factories and stores with photovoltaic arrays.
By the end of the year, as the energy analysts Azeem Azhar and Nathan Warren wrote, this silent solar revolution had seen Pakistanis erect the equivalent of 30 per cent of its national grid, unofficially and inside six months.
Now there’s a lesson there for the rest of the world to understand.
Farmers who depend on tube wells which pull water from aquifers from irrigation and were previously all diesel powered, they’re now using electric pumps that are powered by the panels and that’s led to diesel flat sales in the country dropping by 30 per cent.
And the researchers noted that in some way Pakistan is merely the obvious front runner because something of the same magnitude appears to be happening across much of southern Africa, again driven by the incredibly inexpensive Chinese panels. Now you know why Donald Trump wants to put tariffs on everything coming from China. He’s financed by the fossil fuel industry.
Meanwhile in Germany, solar panels are now cheaper than wood fencing, so they’re being erected for that purpose, which further cuts household power bills in Germany. It’s estimated that at least half a million German apartment dwellers have hung solar panels from their balconies. Now you take all of those last items together and it’s becoming obvious that China is now the key player in the world’s energy transition.
At the last count, China is building about half of the world’s renewable power. Now to the United Nations in New York, where the UN released what it’s called its roadmap to COP30. Now this states that in seven months at the end of 2025, the world will be reflecting on 10 years since the adoption of the Paris Agreement and digesting the outcomes of COP30 in the Brazilian city of Belém.
Whilst the COP is the pinnacle of climate talks, the paper calls for a constant dialogue to drive action at all levels throughout the time between now and that COP conference, ensuring that when the COP begins commitments are translated into tangible outcomes. And I’m quoting here, fostering accountability and maintaining momentum throughout the year.
In what it called a New Collective Quantified Goal (NCQG) finalised at last year’s COP29 “calls on all actors to work together to enable the scaling up of financing to developing country Parties for climate action from all public and private sources to at least $1.3trillion per year by 2035.”
Now my past experiences of COP’s flowery language is that it will cover evasive rearguard action from the fossil fuel industries, which will again dominate the talks. It’s just as well that China has gone its own way and is supplying the planet with cheap solar panels.
Now for the final piece of good news. It concerns the world’s greenest sports team, Forest Green Rovers in Gloucestershire, England.
The Forest Green Rovers men’s team drew 1-1 with York City at the weekend, leaving them in third place on their ladder with an 8-point gap to the next team, Gateshead. If things go on like this, the team will win promotion at the end of the season. Meanwhile the Forest Green women’s team won 7-0 away at St Austel Ladies last week, leaving them among the leaders of their league, too. And the Forest Green Rovers have been fielding questions from fans asking if their player are still all vegan. The answer was that their players are free to choose, but at their ground, the New Lawn at Nailsworth, only serves vegan meals to teams and spectators alike. And when the teams play away matches, they take their own vegan meals with them.
And that nice little sort of vegan part of news finishes my roundup for the week.
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Jingle:
Listen to our Sustainable Hour – for the future.
Tony:
Our first guest today is David Glanz. David is involved in the very interesting coalition of groups that have come together to fight the proposed anti-descent laws in Victoria, following many other jurisdictions all over the planet that are pushing back. And no doubt that’s all driven by the fossil fuel interests. But there’s a fascinating group of people that have come together that would argue that dissent is one of the bedrocks of democracy. So David, David Glanz, thanks for coming on. Maybe if you can tell us your story about your involvement in this and what March the 19th is shaping up to look like.
David Glanz: (at 11:54)
Sure, well thank you very much for having me on the show. I’m on the land of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation in the northern suburbs of Naarm, or Melbourne. And I’m here to talk about the Defend Dissent Coalition, which is a very new coalition which has come together in a matter of really six weeks or so now in response to the State Labor government announcing that it will attempt to pass legislation rolling out a series of measures that will restrict the right to protest.
And some people are still catching up with this story because Jacinta Allen outlined the plans for the legislation about a week before Christmas and people’s attention to politics is beginning to wane at that time of year. People have got more important things to think about like buying Christmas presents. And what she announced was essentially four measures which taken together would clearly be an attack on the right to protest. So one of those would be a restriction on the flags of banned organisations and so on. Now, some of this is grandstanding. She’s saying that Labor will ban the flags of Hisbala or other groups of that nature. They’re already banned, but they’re going to be banned again just to be on the safe side.
Much more worrying, part of the ban would also be a ban on masks. And it’s interesting, she didn’t try to justify that in terms of people hiding from justice behind a face mask. She actually said people should be on rally should be banned from wearing masks because they shouldn’t be allowed to protect themselves from capsicum spray. So when the cops spray you, you should get the full benefit of that spray and not keep any of it out with a mask. And that’s obviously enormously worrying because not only are there people who need to wear masks because they’re particularly vulnerable to viral diseases, but also it’s an indication that the police are likely to use capsicum spray more often, even though they are quite arguably using it in all sorts of unjustified ways at the moment.
Then there’s another flagged restriction, which would be that multicultural groups would have to sign a statement of social cohesion in order to get public money, which is quite McCarthyist. It’s basically saying you have to sign up to the way that the government wants you to operate. And the indication was it was a multicultural group. So presumably the Country Women’s Association wouldn’t have to sign such a statement. But any group representing a migrant community, a refugee community, would basically be told to prove their loyalty, which is quite scary. The bulk of the restrictions are aimed at the Palestine movement, and they were announced in the context of the ongoing weekly Palestine rallies in Melbourne and elsewhere around the state.
But there is one measure which is clearly aimed at the environmental movement, and that is a restriction on bringing ropes or locks or glue to rallies and that’s obviously aimed at those in the environmental movement who in a sense specialise in lock-ons and the law would allow the police to stop people on their way to a rally and that would mean some kind of you know sort of judging people by how they look and then if they find rope or locks or they or chains presumably they could seize those materials and not hand them back.
And then I think the final measure, which in some ways I think is the most worrying, particularly for the Palestine movement, and I represent Free Palestine Melbourne in the Defend Descent Coalition, is a proposal to establish so-called safe zones around places of worship. And if you think about the CBD, everywhere we protest, there are places of worship.
There’s a church directly opposite from the State Library where probably most rallies form up. There’s a synagogue about 300 metres from the steps of Parliament House. And it’s not very difficult to map a whole series of places of worship across the CBD. Now, we don’t know exactly what Labor is promoting because even though they said this was urgent, we’re now into the first third of March and they haven’t tabled the legislation.
So we’re not sure of the fine detail, but there’s clearly the possibility that the police will be given power to shut down rallies or move on rallies if they’re close to a place of worship. Now we know this from two examples. In Britain, the police now are routinely preventing people protesting outside the headquarters of the BBC. And that’s because there is a synagogue within a certain distance. The protestors, the Palestine protesters have no interest in the synagogue.
They’re interested in the lies being told by the BBC, but now effectively they can’t protest outside the BBC. And the New South Wales Labor government, which leads the way in repression, Victoria’s just catching up, has passed legislation quite recently, which includes giving police the power to move on rallies, which are near places of worship. And the law doesn’t say what by any means.
In other words, the police will decide what near means and that means there’s going to be a lot of people arrested and the issues will then be fought out in the courts who will have to decide what the hell near means in terms of 10 metres, 100 metres, a kilometre. So taken together, we’ve got a bunch of proposals which would restrict the right of protest if they’re enacted and we’re determined to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Colin:
Thank you David, that was clear, concise and told us exactly what’s happening. From your view, you’ve looked into every bit of it. Can you answer me two things? Number one, do the current laws allow police to move people on at their own discretion? And number two, when would you reckon the state government will be looking to introduce these laws? – bearing in mind that they’ve got an election coming up at the end of the year.
David: (at 18:38)
In terms of the first question, it’s interesting. The Liberals constantly berate Labor for having abolished the police power to move people on and Labor constantly says that’s not true and the police do have powers to move people on under certain circumstances. So it’s arguable that the police could try it now. I think that the difference would be if the legislation is passed, it will give the police much more confidence to use those powers.
In terms of the second question, my understanding was the state election is still some way away. It’s not the end of this year. But of course, there is a federal election, which is now looks almost certain to be in May, and it’s possible that the state Labor government will deliberately hang back until after May. So although we’re rallying on March the 19th, which is a Wednesday, just next week.
We know that there will probably be more rallies outside Parliament, more protests to come.
Tony:
Other guests today that you’ll be introduced to, or you’ll get to talk to, listen to later on includes Jamie. Jamie Jeffrey. Jamie’s got a question for David right now. Jamie’s a Geelong-based peace and human rights activist. So Jamie, ask the question.
Jaimie Jeffrey:
Thanks, Tony. David, I was at a climate-related rally in Geelong recently where I was collecting signatures for the Defend Ascent petition and several people said to me, well, if the Nazis are banned from flying their flag and if the Nazis are banned from wearing masks, isn’t that a good thing? What would you say in response to that?
David: (at 20:31)
I think the first thing to say is that the experience of these kinds of pieces of legislation, even if they’re dressed up as measures aimed at the far right, they will be used against the rest of us. The Nazis rally, thankfully, rarely. They don’t advertise their rallying. It’s much more difficult for the police to use these kinds of bits of legislation against them. The last time they appeared on the steps of parliament, in Melbourne, the cops sort of turned up half an hour later. So it’s neither here nor there or about whether they’re banned from wearing masks. But you can guarantee when any kind of rally is forming up at the State Library in Melbourne or in Geelong or anywhere else in the state, the police will be there from the get-go. I mean, they’re already at every Palestine rally in enormous numbers, way out of proportion to any kind of public service, and you can assume they will go through the crowd and start picking on people with masks.
Now Jacinda Allen said that there would be some exemptions. I don’t know what they’re going to be, but imagine being an immunocompromised person in the crowd wearing a mask for very legitimate health reasons and the police stand over you. What are you meant to do? Carry around some kind of permit to wear a mask? The chances are they will arrest and then they will ask questions later.
So I don’t think these measures are aimed at Nazis. They’re aimed first and foremost at criminalising Palestine protests, but they will obviously have flow-on effects to all sorts of progressive protests around the state.
Tony:
David, are you able to give us some sort of sense of the depth of concern about this, the kind of the groups that are involved in the coalition?
David (at 22:24)
Sure. Well, as I say, the coalition is really about six weeks old, but it’s already endorsed by dozens of organisations. So there are a range of organisations from the environmental movement, XR, Friends of the Earth, forest activists and the like. There’s Free Palestine Melbourne, which I represent at the coalition, the Refugee Action Collective, the Rank and File Group defending the CFMEU against administration.
No Orcas Coalition Vic, a range of different left groups. There’s a student anti-war group from Melbourne University and I’m sure I’ve forgotten some very important people but that just gives you a glimpse and I think the range of speakers who will be speaking at Parliament on the 19th, 5:30 at Parliament give you a further indication. So Gabrielle DiVietri, the Greens MP will be speaking, May Sayeed from Free Palestine Melbourne, Senator Lydia Thorpe will be speaking. There will be a speaker from exile. There’ll be a speaker from the disability movement. There will be a refugee speaker. again, I’m sure I’ve missed a couple of people, but I think that gives you a sense of the breadth of the coalition.
What is also, I think, very important is there is disquiet, which is beyond the coalition.
So we’re certainly been told that there are a range of unions and people within the, particularly the left of the Labor Party who are very worried about this legislation. So I know that Labor Friends of Palestine are beavering away behind the scenes inside the Labor Party. The ASU Victas branch recently sent a two page letter to Jacinta Allen, which is now effectively going around the email lists detailing why the ASU is opposed to this legislation and also is opposed to any hint of a prospect of permits for rallies.
Now as I understand it, that’s not part of the proposed legislation, but obviously the right-wing figures in the media, the coalition are always pushing around that issue. So it’s very important that the ASU has taken a public stand and their lead organiser will be one of the speakers at the rally. We have reason to believe that there’s more going on behind the scenes. Victorian Trades Hall Council at this point isn’t in supporting the coalition, but we believe that they have made some, given some feedback to the Labor government. So they’re potentially stirring a hornet’s nest.
Colin:
There’s much more of politics about it, David, than there is of actual necessities. The bit about banning people from carrying glue and ropes to a rally, it’s been my experience and I know it has been Tony’s experience that the people who have in the past protested by gluing themselves to paintings or climbing on roofs of things don’t do it from a rally.
David:
They do it as a separate occasion. So they’re just bringing something in for the sake of, hey, look at us, we’re getting tough on everybody. When the truth of the matter has got nothing at all to do with people who are rallying the case. Incidentally, Defend Decent Coalition has sort of adopted Zelda DiProno as something of a figure. Zelda DiProno, I’m sure most listeners will know, but there may be people from outside Australia listening to the show who have not heard of her. She died about seven years ago and she was an amazing working class woman fighter who famously chained herself to the buildings of the Commonwealth government as part of a protest for equal pay for women. And there is now a statue memorialising her, showing her in chains outside the trades hall building. It’s celebrated by the union movement. It was celebrated by the Labor Party.
I think Julia Gillard, the former prime minister, was one of the people who launched the statue. Well, Zelda de Prano would be arrested on site if she turned up to a rally. So one of our banners at rally on the 19th will have a picture of Zelda Di Prano and indicating that we stand in her footsteps.
Mik:
Can you give us a bit of an international perspective on this? I mean, we know that in the UK there are people imprisoned with like four and five years sentences for simply having taken part in a Zoom conference where they were discussing a protest. Four to five years in prison. That seems like… wild! What is your perspective on what’s going on internationally?
David:
I think around the world in the so-called liberal democracies, there is a serious attempt to crack down on protest in general. Environmental protests, as you referenced, in Britain is a particular target. But I think over the last 17, 18 months, it’s been the Palestine movement. that has been an excuse to crack down on civil liberties generally. And that will impact other people, not just those protesting for Palestine.
But they’ve tried everything. They’ve tried to say that we’re violent. They’ve tried to say we’re anti-Semitic. They’ve tried to say we’ve been overly disruptive. None of that is true. Incidentally, I’m a Jewish supporter of Palestine. I’ve been at many of the rallies. I’ve had the privilege to speak at one of the Melbourne rallies from the platform. And there have been many other Jewish speakers. they’re trying to make out there’s a problem of anti-Semitism which justifies cracking down on civil liberties. Actually, the problem is one of anti-Palestinian racism and the establishment being in lockstep with Israeli genocide, militarily, politically, diplomatically, socially and the like. So there’s the elements of this cropping up around the world. I mentioned the way that the police are trying to prevent people protesting outside the BBC in London. Trump has threatened to defund any school or university that has any kind of pro-Palestine protest to deport people if they’re not citizens. Look, at the end of the day, the only way to deal with this is to be back on the streets in bigger and bigger numbers.
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SONG 1
Rising Tide
Intro
Tick, tick, boom.
They tighten the leash, we loosen the noose.
Walls rise up, but so do we.
They think they got us locked — nah. We got the key.
Verse 1
Locked-down, shut-up, laws get tight,
Suits in the high-rise, dim that light.
Zoom room crime? Four years inside?
But you can’t mute thunder, you can’t hide tides.
They redraw maps, cut off space,
Yet we still march, reclaim our place.
One spark, ten sparks, fire runs wild,
One stand, ten stands, rising tide.
Refrain
(Lead) We stand! We rise!
(Crowd) We break these ties!
(Lead) One voice, one fight,
(Crowd) Can’t arrest the tide!
Bridge
Drum like war, feet like thunder,
Roll like waves, tear walls asunder.
They fear the streets, they fear the sound,
Of a thousand feet that shake the ground.
Verse 2
Click-clack, laws stack, tight like wire,
But truth don’t drown, truth climbs higher.
Spy that flag? Search that bag?
Nah, we move too fast, no need to ask.
They ban the glue, but we still stick,
They block the streets, but we still click.
They watch the march, but never see,
That change moves fast like a wildfire spree.
Refrain
(Lead) We stand! We rise!
(Crowd) We break these ties!
(Lead) One voice, one fight,
(Crowd) Can’t arrest the tide!
Bridge
They push, we pull!
They block, we move!
They spy, we see!
They fall, we free!
Outro
Can’t arrest a rising tide.
Can’t arrest a rising tide.
Quote:
I Have a Dream speech by Martin Luther King Jr
I have a dream, that one day we till stand together – to pray together – to struggle together – to go to jail together – to stand up for freedom together knowing that …
. . .
Antonio Guterres:
It’s a time for transformation.
Scott Morrison:
This is coal. Don’t be afraid!
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse:
At the heart of this conflict is a battle between truth and science and power and lies.
. . .
David Ritter, Director, Greenpeace Australia Pacific:
Today’s been one of those days when the unfairness and the injustice of things has kind of really grabbed me and I’ve been really struck by the sheer unseriousness of some of the things that are said sometimes by public figures. So what we’ve seen today is gas giant corporation Woodside out there boasting about their 115 per cent year on year profit increase, 3.57 billion dollar profit statement.
But this profit comes off a business model that relies on extracting gas, which is one of the major drivers of climate change, which is making climate impacts worse, environmental impacts worse, which are driving the cost of living crisis that is crunching people. So it’s essentially a company boasting about the profits that are making life worse for everybody else. So what is Woodside CEO, Meg O’Neill, saying about this?
Well, she, believe it or not, in a statement that could not be more unserious, out there saying, if you are serious about the environment, you will approve this. And she’s talking to government ministers about approving an extension to Woodside’s enormous gas processing facilities in Western Australia.
Now, if you’re genuine about the environment, we’ve got to be phasing out of fossil fuel expansion at emergency speed and scale. If we’re serious, it’s time for the polluters to start paying for their damage. And if we’re serious, it’s time for the renewables transformation at emergency speed and scale. So let’s get serious about this stuff.
. . .
Malcolm Turnbull:
This is the world of disorder.
. . .
Laura Tobin, Meteorologist at iTV, Good Morning Britain:
It is now officially the hottest year that Earth has ever recorded, primarily from human-caused climate change. It’s simple. The red here above average higher temperatures driven by higher fossil fuel production. So these records don’t fall lightly. Not just the hottest year globally, the first time we’ve reached 1.5°C degrees, this value we want to stay below to avoid the very worst impacts of climate change, the hottest 10 years the Earth has ever recorded, and we’ve also seen record levels of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.
So if you’re thinking it hasn’t been that bad in the UK, it actually has. The UK, we saw the fourth warmest year we’ve ever been recorded. We’re just so used to these record temperatures now, but high temperatures like this right across the globe mean extreme weather events. There are too many for me to mention from last year, but here’s a few. We started with record temperatures in India at the start of the year into the 50s, causing fatalities and widespread power outages and water shortages. We started with droughts in Spain with reservoirs running dry by the end of the year.
They had flash floods with cars in the roads turning to rivers. Then we had Hurricane Milton. It strengthened faster than any hurricane has ever recorded, causing meteorologists to cry by how devastated he was. Storms across the UK for us, causing widespread scenes of flooding. And then we saw wildfires right across the globe in Portugal, Greece, and of course in LA even at the end of last year. So I guess the big question is, why do we need to care?
And if these images don’t already make you realise why we need to care, we’re now on track for three degrees of warming by the end of the century. These unimaginable scenes that we’ve been seeing across the globe, especially in LA right now, people thought it would never happen to their homes. It is. And with a warmer world, the question is, where next?
. . .
Tony:
Okay, I’ve introduced Jamie before and with her is Sarah Hathway. Sarah’s a friend of the show as well. She’s been on a number of times. She was in the last period of council. She was on the City of Greater Geelong. She’s a candidate, the socialist candidate for Corio in the upcoming elections. And she’s very much working with Jamie at the moment to shine a few extra lumens on what’s happening around Geelong as regards to armaments, et cetera. So welcome both of you on and tell us what you guys are about, why you’re on today?
Jamie:
So every two years at Avalon Airport near Geelong there’s a huge event called the Avalon International Air Show. It was started I think from memory by Geoff Kennett back in the 90s and the first one or two air shows were just demonstrations of planes, aeroplanes and aircraft but from the get-go included some military aircraft as well as civilian.
And then very early on, it became a weapons expo. And now it’s this huge weapons expo that goes for four days before the air show event opens to the public. And on the four trade days, many weapons manufacturers from around the world display their killing technology and spruke it to militaries from around the world that attend there to have a look at this killing technology and buy it. And deals worth billions and billions of dollars are done during those four trade days. And these weapons manufacturers profit from war and death and destruction. And this is all happening just up the road from where I am in Geelong. I’m on what a wrong country, by the way.
And the air show is held every two years. It’s coming up at the end of March. The trade days start on Tuesday the 25th and from 12 noon on Friday the 28th it opens to the public and the public stuff happens over the weekend. And a number of different groups, politically active groups in Geelong, have come together to try and organise some community awareness and protest actions against the air show. Because through talking with people we know that a lot of people don’t know that it’s a weapons expo. So our kind of number one goal is to make sure that people know this. So a lot of the people just think it’s a family fun day out, and don’t realise that it’s a weapons expo. They don’t realise that by buying a ticket, the money from ticket sales actually funds the weapons expo. So they don’t realise their own complicity in this.
The other thing that we are very keen to point out to locals is that the City of Greater Geelong, the local council, every two years give $630,000 to the airshow. $125,000 is for a trade desk, and the other $505,000 is sponsorship. This is a council that pretty much every year during its budget process says it has to cut community services because it’s broke and yet it can find the money to sponsor the weapons expo and have a trade desk there. Now why on earth a local government needs to have a trade desk at a weapons expo is just beyond me, but it’s not really because the council is part of what’s called the Geelong Defence Alliance, which includes the state government Geelong Manufacturing Council, Deakin University, Gordon TAFE, which is the local TAFE College, and all the weapons manufacturers. And it’s all about inviting companies to set up here, weapons making companies to set up here. And it’s also about trying to get local small companies to become part of the defence supply chain. And in fact, at the weapons expo part of the air show, there are sessions held for local businesses to help them win contracts so that they can become part of the defence supply chain.
So one of the companies that exhibits there is Elbert Systems, which is the largest private Israeli weapons manufacturer. And it manufactures the Hermes 450 drones, which is the drone that killed Australian aid worker Zommy Frankham in Palestine. It’s used against the Palestinians. Lockheed Martin builds the F-35s, which are the planes that Israel uses to bomb Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and there are several local companies that make parts for the F-35s including Morand, Quickstep and Kamring and Viva Energy, the local oil refinery company is also an exhibitor at the weapons expo because it makes toluene which is a product that’s used in making TNT.
So we’ve got a number of actions planned. We’re going to be doing a parade in costume with props through Geelong on through the Little Mallops Street restaurant strip of Geelong on this coming Friday night the 14th. The following Friday night the 21st we’re going to have a roadside placard and banner action out of out the front of Morand Engineering which is located in the old Ford factory on Melbourne Road in Norlane.
And we now also have an electronic petition to the council demanding that the council end all funding to the air show from the current year budget and all future budgets. So yeah, that’s what we’re doing. We’ll do some leafletting and some posturing and stuff as well. But you know, really keen for people to follow IPAN Geelong and Vic South West on social media so that you can keep up to date with what we’re doing.
And just one final comment. You know, it’s an environmental, the air show is an environmental issue as well because it’s like car racing. It’s all these planes flying around just for people’s entertainment. It’s ridiculous. Aircraft fuel is, you know, generates massive greenhouse gases. So there’s absolutely no justification on any level to have this air show, weapons expo or any council or government funding for it. It should be ended.
Mik:
Sarah Hathway, you are running as a candidate in the election. So what is your stand on this – that we’ve just heard Jamie talk about here?
Sarah Hathway: (at 43:30)
Yeah, thanks Mik. Yeah, I’m running in the upcoming federal election, but I guess to segue a little bit from what Jamie was talking about, having had the benefit of 14 to 15 months on council and seeing it internally, the financial pressure on not just Geelong City Council, but all councils is immense.
And certainly why we wouldn’t support any level of government being local, state or federal investing money into weapons expos and weapons manufacturing and attracting people like BAE and all of this. It just feels particularly insidious and sickening that a local council of all layers of government thinks it’s suitable to be having a trader stall at a weapons expo.
And Jamie’s hinted at this, I mean to add to it, it wasn’t that long ago we were talking about closing four libraries in Geelong, if people remember that. We had hundreds out on the street supporting and defending the library workers who were going to lose their jobs. You know, I can’t reveal too much detail, might get myself in trouble, but I can say that there are ongoing service reviews internally going on at City of Greater Geelong Council about the financial viability and sustainability of pretty key important services and about whether council continues to fund those services. Thought we’ve got money for a Trader Stall at a Weapons Expo.
So, you know, I guess I had a little break there at the end of the local council election but I’ve come back for the upcoming federal election because it’s all related for me at the end of the day. I feel like sometimes people might get sick of me popping up at every rally and every issue, but I guess for me as a socialist and someone who cares very deeply about social justice, all these things are connected. And it was really great, David, to hear you spell things out where these anti-activist laws are, because I agree that, you know, absolutely using this under the guise of Palestine, but it’s going to be detrimental to all of us on every issue, anything that we campaign around. And for me, the federal elections, you know, I cringe at the P-word, anytime anyone calls me a politician, I die a little bit on the inside. I’m an activist at heart. But for me, federal elections and any election is when people want to talk politics.
Unfortunately, we’ve got this culture in Australia that you don’t talk for religion or politics. That was something that got drilled into me as a child. But I feel at election time, people are a little bit more open to talking about the issues, particularly what’s impacting them. And I have to say, I’ve never seen people more angry than I have right now. And I think that’s both an opportunity for us broadly on the left, or progressive, or however you want to describe yourself, social justice warriors on any issue.
But I think there’s a risk there and we’re seeing this in the U.S. and in other countries of socialism or barbarism. People are looking for answers. They’re turning away from the major parties and if we’re not out there engaging with them, putting forward progressive ideas, trying to win votes to socialist, Greens, progressive independents, then we risk they’re going to turn to these far-rights.
So that’s certainly what’s going to be keeping me busy for the next couple of weeks.
. . .
Clip from the movie ‘The Network’ (1976):
We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. We sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had 15 homicides and 63 violent crimes as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad, worse than bad.
They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house and slowly the world we’re living in is getting smaller and all we say is please at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel belt and radios and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone. Well, I’m not going to leave you alone. I want you to get mad. First, you’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say I’m a human being. God damn it. My life has value.
I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it and stick your head out and yell, I’m as mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!
. . .
Colin:
The thing that you have to remember at the upcoming elections is to put the Liberal National Party last and then, bearing in mind that this is a sustainable hour, then go through and put in order those that you think are more concerned with our climate and our future in that order.
That’s my only advice for all of the upcoming elections.
Sarah:
Absolutely and if I can add coal on it still amazes me – and I think it’s just a sign I’m too much to my own lefty sort of political bubble and a bit of a you know politics nerd – but the number of people that don’t understand how preferential voting works is huge, and I think if there’s anything that any of us can do on any platform that we have is to also provide that bit of civic education over the next month is that you cannot waste your vote.
And I feel, you know, I will be directly critical. I feel like it’s Labor Party people that deliberately obfuscate this all the time when you talk about, you know, I support the Greens or the Socialists or there’s this really great deal or progressive independent. It’s always Labor Party rusted on supporters that will say, well, you know, you’re just risking getting Dutton elected, and you’re not and they’re deliberately miseducating people and I think we’ve really got to expose that.
Mik:
Jamie?
Jamie:
Yeah, absolutely. My group is doing like an election street stall every Saturday at the moment and where we were on Saturday, we had some really good conversations with traditional Labor voters who are disaffected and not happy, but were unaware that Sarah is running and that Emily Flynn from the Greens is running in the electorate of Corio, currently held by Minister for War Richard Miles.
So that was really good because we did have an opportunity to explain how preferential voting works and I reckon we convinced some people not to give Richard Miles their first vote but to give it to one of the progressive candidates.
Can I just quickly say two other things that I forgot to say before about the air show?
One is that the air show does attract huge numbers of people and the Geelong Council is always saying, it brings all this money and all these benefits to Geelong. But that would happen anyway, even if the council didn’t sponsor it. So it shouldn’t be giving money to it. And the other thing I just wanted to mention is there’s this mysterious organisation called the AMDA Foundation. Don’t know what AMDA stands for. The AMDA Foundation, which organises the Avalon Air Show Weapons Expo, and also land forces and it has charity status which is just outrageous so we’re looking into that too.
It has another thing too, in that it has not hundreds but thousands of people volunteering over the course of the four days. So it runs on voluntary. Basically they couldn’t do it if it wasn’t for the volunteers helping with the car parking, the entrance gates. They’re all volunteers who are doing that and they also, I can guarantee, don’t know that they’re really taking part on what is essentially a gun running exercise. And it’s not just guns, it’s missiles, it’s deadly drones, it’s the latest in war manufacturing under the title of an air show. Yeah, all field tested in Gaza. Yeah, And Ukraine.
Yeah. And that’s some of the advertising that they go by, they were certainly using that at land forces, that come and buy our weapons, they work, we can show you. The majority of the people who are buying are military from other countries and they arrive in military planes, get out, go and look at all the wares in like a sort of an ideal home exhibition, then get on their plane again and then fly out. So the average person in Australia, never mind in Geelong, hasn’t got a clue who’s coming in and who’s buying these weapons.
Jingle:
This is London calling. This is London calling.
Mik:
These were the words we could fit into one Sustainable Hour, more to come in a week. But thank you very much to our three guests: David, Jamie and Sarah. A last comment from you very quickly as we are rounding off and remember to think about what are you proposing we should be? We used to say ‘Be the difference’, but every week we’re looking out for something else that you think we should be. Jamie?
Jamie:
Be the future.
Colin:
David?
David:
Be the power!
Colin:
Yeah, I like that. I know it by then. Sarah?
Sarah:
Be the resistance!
Colin:
Be the resistance, I’ll with all of those and I’ll add on to that: Be aware!
Tony:
It’s the price of democracy, is that one, Colin?
Colin:
Yeah.
Mik:
Thank you.
. . .
SONG 2
Starting from today
Looking at your face right now
As you scroll through the headlines
I see the worry in your eyes
About the world we leave behind
And I know you’re wondering
If anyone will make it right
But baby, let me tell you something
That keeps me up at night
There’s still time to change the way
Things are going day by day
And when you feel like giving up
Remember what I say
I can be that difference
I can be that change
I can be that difference
Starting from today
Dad, I’ve seen the videos
Of how things used to be
Clear skies and clean waters
It’s hard to believe
But I’m not just sitting here
Waiting for a miracle
Got my friends beside me now
We’re making it possible
Every small step counts, they say
Little changes pave the way
When it seems too much to bear
Listen close, I swear
I can be that difference
I can be that change
I can be that difference
Starting from today
We rise together
Hand in hand we’ll find a way
We rise together
Every choice we make today
Shapes tomorrow’s way
I can be that difference
I can be that change
I can be that difference
Starting from today
We rise together
Starting from today
. . .
Speaker 1:
The Australian government has made an ad about Australian values and it’s surprisingly honest and informative.
Speaker 2:
Language warning. The following segment contains strong language that some listeners may find offensive.
Juice Media – Honest Government Ad:
Hello, I’m from the Australian Government. Are you hoping to become an Australian citizen? If so, you’ll need to learn about Australian values. As the seat of Government, Parliament House is the logical place to learn about Australian values. Whether it be bullying, sexual harassment, cover-ups or simply jizzing on women’s desks, we know how to set the example. values. Knowing Australian values will help you fit into our society and have a job. Such as Australian value number 22.
Nobody in this Government faces any fucking consequences for their Australian values. We work hard to uphold these values. That’s why we’ve repeatedly voted against a federal ICAC. We’ve even voted against a code of conduct in Parliament House, because that would go against Australian value number 16.
Do whatever the fuck we want in Parliament House, such as banging in the prayer room, getting trollied on the job, banging our staffers on the job, and making women feel afraid to report sexual assaults for fear of losing their job. Australian values. If you’re ever unsure, look to our Prime Minister for leadership on Australian values, such as value number eight. Show no leadership, ever. Like leaving it to Jenny to tell you to empathise with a rape survivor. And hiding under your desk instead of going outside to meet the thousands of lying cow… – I mean women marching to demand an end to gendered violence and discrimination in Parliament House. But hey, look on the bright side, at least we didn’t shoot those thousands of women marching on Parliament House.
Which of course is Australian Value Number 81. Australian Values. Good luck with your citizenship test and make sure to brush up on Australian Values. Especially Value Number 1. If you have a go, you get a go. What’s that? Don’t have any goes? honey, then you get to go fuck your Australian Values. And remember, English is national language. Learning it will help you understand what Aussies mean when they tell you, yeah nah mate, this government is a bunch of shit cunts.
Authorised by our Honesty Coach.
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